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Misguided hatred

Posted by Eric Wilbur, Boston.com Staff July 1, 2008 09:05 AM

Tom Jones, he of the St. Petersburg Times, came up with a novel idea for a column today, and - God bless him - he followed through on it.

10 reasons to hate the Red Sox

Reminds me of this.

And this.

And this.

Anyhow, far be it from us to point out a few inaccuracies, but here they are*:

“Red Sox Nation? They weren't even known as "Red Sox Nation" until they started winning championships.”

Boston Globe feature writer Nathan Cobb dropped the phrase in 1986. That’s 18 years before 2004. Next?

“Before 2004, Red Sox fans were like Cubs fans: lovable losers. You felt sorry for them when Bucky Dent, Bill Buckner and Aaron Boone happened. Then they won a World Series and then another and now they, including all the bandwagon jumpers, parade around like they invented the game.”

This can not be denied.

“Yeah, Red Sox fans are all peachy with Bill Buckner, the supposed goat of the 1986 World Series, these days. But from 1986 until the Red Sox won in 2004? They treated Buckner like dirt, running him out of town and making him live in shame all because the Red Sox didn't have the jam to hold on to a 3-0 lead in Game 7 two nights after Buckner had the audacity to let a grounder skip between his legs.”

Now I'm confused where everybody is supposed to stand on Buckner.

“The Patriots, despite their Super Bowl loss to the Giants, still have had football's best team over the past decade and probably will win the whole thing next season. The Celtics pull a rabbit out of their hats (actually two — Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen) and go from one of the worst teams in the NBA to a record 17th NBA title. The Red Sox have won two World Series in four years and are the favorites again this year. That's just not fair. No city should have that much fun.”

Yeah, we’re sorry. But let’s not forget that Tampa itself has had two parades this decade. Not too shabby. In fact, of the four major sports, only Boston, Detroit and San Antonio can boast more titles since 2001 than they can in the Tampa area, tied with Anaheim and Los Angeles for that honor (depending upon, of course, exactly which zip code you want to consider the 2002 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim). The other Bay Area, the one on the left coast, can complain about the current title drought of their sports teams. When you’ve got two titles over the past six years, you’re not yet eligible.

“Think of some of the legendary names in Red Sox history: Ted Williams, Carlton Fisk, Carl Yastrzemski, Jim Rice. Know what two things they have in common? They were all great players. And they were all crotchety, cranky and ornery cusses.”

Maybe. But I’ll take ornery over the wild card that was Elijah Dukes, no?

“Oh yeah, sure, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein, right, is a genius. It takes real brilliance to recognize that Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell are, uh, pretty good and we should write them a check from a limitless bank account.”

Theo Epstein didn’t make the deal, or at least, wasn’t at the forefront of the deal. The Beckett trade was made during the winter prior to the ’06 season, when the Red Sox GM was on leave from the club. But that’s beside the point. While Beckett was the centerpiece of the deal, the Red Sox had to swallow the remaining two years on the contract of Lowell, who was coming off a season in which he hit .236 with eight home runs, a .298 OBP, and a career-low .658 OPS. That’s not, uh, pretty good. Lowell’s career was in serious downslide, and he certainly wasn’t an attractive extra to have to take on at the time. Not to mention, the guy the Sox surrendered in the deal is a perennial MVP threat.

“No, genius is trading away a player like Delmon Young for Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett.”

Delmon Young is a nice player, but seriously, this was a swap of former first-round picks. It’s not like the Rays Bagwelled the Twins in this deal. Bartlett’s .578 OPS is dead-last among major league shortstops, but when you’re looking at a 24-year-old possible No. 2 starter for the long-term future, isn’t it worth even a player of Young’s stature? Kinda like, oh…Hanley Ramirez. Genius.

“Don't act like you're the organization with all the sharp baseball minds who built through the draft and shrewd waiver-wire pickups with a tiny payroll. That's the Rays, not you guys.”

On the current roster, here are the players the Red Sox have built with through the draft: Jacoby Ellsbury, Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Brandon Moss, Jonathan Papelbon, Chris Smith, Jon Lester, Justin Masterson, Manny Delcarmen, and Craig Hansen. Among the “shrewd waiver-wire pickups” is a fella named David Ortiz.

On the Rays’ current roster, Tampa drafted BJ Upton, Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, Jonny Gomes, Shawn Riggans, Dan Wheeler, James Shields, Andy Sonnastine, Jason Hammel, and Jeff Niemann. Among the “shrewd waiver-wire pickups” is a fella named Carlos Pena.

I count 10 homegrown on both sides.

Boston is fourth in payroll this season, behind the Yankees ($209 million!), Mets, and Tigers. That’s still not denying the vast discrepancy in payroll, but to chalk up the team’s success to solely money and not understanding what the draft has done for the current state of the Red Sox is foolhardy.

*FJM style duly noted.

57 comments so far...
  1. It is urban myth that Bill Buckner was ever reviled by the vast majority of Red Sox fans.

    He received a ROUSING ovation on opening day 1987. He received yet another ROUSING ovation when the Sox reacquired him in 1990. Even Bill Buckner points this out every chance he gets.

    I guess it's just another instance of, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

    Posted by Harrybosch July 1, 08 10:15 AM
  1. It should be noted that Tampa Bay has been picking in the top 3 of just about every first round of every draft that they've ever participated in.

    Eventually, you're going to find some "homegrown talent" picking that high. The real embarrassment is that it took them 10 years to finally put together a quality roster, despite having all of those very high draft picks.

    Posted by Tony July 1, 08 10:35 AM
  1. The Braves and Cowboys are "America's Team", too. Love teams that believe somehow they're The Chosen Ones.

    Posted by Jonah Falcon July 1, 08 10:58 AM
  1. Bruins are still 'lovable' losers, while Tampa has won a Stanley cup recently and still has Lecalvier and now Stamkos.

    Posted by Kevin P. July 1, 08 11:14 AM
  1. When you are on top all the haters come out. Do not forget about Theo signing David Ortiz Nice Dome with the cat walk get a real stadium

    Posted by Don Stewart July 1, 08 11:14 AM
  1. It's not that the Red Sox and their fans haven't been some of the best baseball supporters in the history of the sport, rather it's their attitude recently. It's almost like that they forgot it took them 80+ years to get there. Now many of them that I have come across are arrogant and a bit too cocky. The Rays have only been around for 10 years and they have been suggested for contraction by some before the winning.....don't they deserve an 80+ year curve like the Red Sox?! I hate to say it but you Red Sox fans are becoming dangerously annoying like the Yankee fans.

    Posted by dewey July 1, 08 11:15 AM
  1. A truly embarrasing piece of crap loaded with inaccuracies.

    Well, nobody said you had to be smart to be a sportswriter. (No offense, Eric.)

    Posted by TheOmnipotentQ July 1, 08 11:24 AM
  1. Myth about reception for Buckner is like myth that Danny Ainge bit Tree Rollins. It was the other way around.

    Posted by Bob July 1, 08 11:26 AM
  1. Being that I am a transplant here in Tampa. I keep wondering to myself why are the media, fans, Rays Announcers building heat towards the Yankees and Sox? The Rays have been bad for so long they should just be enjoying the ride. It's a great story and I wish them well as it is fun to see new blood involved in AL East race. Some things are just facts, and the first facts is this is a series on the first day of July. This is not a big series in Late August/September. Stop the hate Tampa and just enjoy the ride.

    Posted by Sully July 1, 08 11:44 AM
  1. I'll respect the D Ray fan base when it fills most of the stadium when the team stinks- as Red Sox fans did for many years during the 60's, 70's, 80's and even the 90's. I agree that some Sox fans- newer ones really- have been acting arrograntly, but there is no fandom more loyal than Red Sox Nation. I remember many years with tthe team 10 games out in September and 25,000 to 30,000 in the stands. And when it rains- unlike almost any other fans any other place- Sox fans remain at the ballpark.

    Where were the Tampa fans prior to one month ago? And I guarantee- if the team fades at all- see you later D Ray fans.

    Posted by Dave July 1, 08 11:53 AM
  1. Myth about reception for Buckner is like myth that Danny Ainge bit Tree Rollins. It was the other way around.

    Leading to the immortal headline in this very newspaper:

    Tree Bites Man

    Posted by Harrybosch July 1, 08 12:01 PM
  1. Dewey, can you tell me how "many" Sox fans you come across that are "arrogant" and "too cocky"? Sure ... I believe there are some .. perhaps a lot by your standards, but this is the problem with fan bases that criticize other fan bases. It is the vocal minority that gives a bad wrap to the majority. It is too bad that there are these people in ALL fan bases, but it happens. Having been a Sox fan for 40 years ... I can tell you with all honesty ... the majority aren't cocky or arrogant, they have enjoyed the success and don't forget the past failures. Most love baseball. We also can appreciate the success of the Rays. And I for one will not label the entire Rays fan base as "arrogant" and "too cocky" now that they have a 1 1/2 game lead in the east. I am sure most are just grateful for the chance to compete and to them I say, "buckle up ... the race has begun!"

    Posted by shardy July 1, 08 12:08 PM
  1. It wouldn't get too burned about this. The writer essentially validates the Red Sox and its fans in his last point:

    "They're good

    Bottom line is they have more rings than any team over the past four years. And two more than the Rays. They have Manny and Big Papi banging homers. They have Josh Beckett and Dice-K blowing away hitters. They have Kevin Youkilis and Mike Lowell hitting gappers and Jacoby Ellsbury stealing bases. And Jonathan Papelbon throwing peas to lock down games. Their manager might be the best in baseball, and, yes, even their kid GM seems to know what he's doing. Plus, well, they do play in the coolest stadium in sports.

    Don't you just hate that?"

    Posted by youngparisians July 1, 08 12:26 PM
  1. Anyone who was actually paying attention in '86 knew perfectly well that there was more than enough blame to go around in Game Six, and probably the least of it belonged to Buckner. But for poor performances from Stanley, Schiraldi, Clemens, (hell, even a rare error from Dwight Evans), the game should by all rights have been over long before that little roller to first.

    Posted by Gee July 1, 08 12:28 PM
  1. they only hate you when you're on top. it is about time that the rays field a competitive team but enjoy it while you can because once these young players reach free agency you will see the type of firesale the likes of which was seen with the marlins. what is wrong with the florida fans that they can't support a mature baseball team? walt

    Posted by walter siggins July 1, 08 12:30 PM
  1. I was born and bred in Mass, and moved down to Tampa in 2001, just in time to miss the beginning of the title deluge. When I go home now, friends that would never watch a Sox game with me are sporting new Sox hats, a celtics t-shirt, and Patriot wristbands. Watching a game with these neuvo-fans is brutal. All of us who suffered through Brett Szabo, Hugh Millen, and Tim Lollar, who know what its like to be on the other side of the standings are now drowned out by these loud-mouthed bandwagoneers. Apparently these bandwaggoners have three three day conventiions here at the Trop. I get to be embarrassed by throngs of loud-mouthed fans who must have turned in their Yankee hat for a Manny jersey. We used to pride ourselves on having some class. That pride is long forgotten. Oh the price of success. Come back Victor Kiam, the city needs you, the people are quickly turning into New Yorkers.

    Posted by Jack July 1, 08 12:31 PM
  1. You know how there's always at least one deluded, obnoxious contestant on reality TV shows who interviews that everybody "was jus' jealous, man. They voted me off 'cause I was awesome, and they were threatened by me, man!" And the viewers at home shake their heads and say "no, they voted you off because you were an obnoxious jerkweed."

    Well, not everybody calls the Boston sports community on it's issues because "they're jus' jealous, man." They write pieces like this one because they can see how obnoxious the Red Sox and their Nation is, without necessarily wanting to become it.

    Posted by Juan July 1, 08 12:49 PM
  1. Wasn't Dan Wheeler on the Astros a couple years ago? I don't count that as homegrown, even if he did come from the Rays organization originally.

    Posted by J-Bone July 1, 08 12:59 PM
  1. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Red Sox fans.

    To judge a group of people that large by the actions or comments of a few is asinine.

    Posted by Char July 1, 08 01:12 PM
  1. Well, it's no more misguided than boston's obsessive hatred of the Yankees.
    Most people now look at the red sox the way the red sox have always looked at the yankees.

    So get over it, enjoy the winning while it lasts, and stop whining about how the whole world doesn't love you so much anymore.

    Posted by George July 1, 08 01:49 PM
  1. How can anyone say we were "lovable losers" like the Cubs? The Cubs (present team excluded) are an embarrassment! The Red Sox lost 4 Game 7s of the World Series before they won -- the Cubs are out of the race in May every year. They are lovable losers because we feel sorry for how bad they are, whereas people felt for Sox fans because they were so good but always fell just shy. We really should never be compared to that sorry franchise.

    Posted by Seth July 1, 08 01:53 PM
  1. That column is just a tirade with few even arguable points. What is garbage like that doing in a major newspaper?

    I mean honestly, I think maybe one or two of the points were actually about baseball. The rest was just drama. For example, does anyone actually care that Varitek wears a C on his uniform?

    Posted by Ben July 1, 08 02:25 PM
  1. Honestly, does it even matter what everyone else thinks about the fan base. Most of this stuff just comes from jealousy and if they want to let the few bandwagoners who are loud mouths ruin it for everyone else, then let 'em. I am a proud sox fan with more sox stuff than I know what to do with but I am not errogant and look forward to the key series like the one we are in right now. Nothing matters until late August, just remember that. It's going to be a fun race and I'm looking forward to it.

    Posted by WhoCares July 1, 08 02:38 PM
  1. George & all the other misguided Tampa fans, Red Sox hatred is of the Yankees, not NYC, and not even most of the fans. It is a rivalry over 100 years old, and the Boston MEDIA doesn't write nasty garbage about the Yankees. You and your "sports writers" don't know much about sports...there are photos posted on Boston.com right now showing family members and friends wearing Red Sox AND Yankee hats. It's a SPORTS rivalry, for heaven's sake, not a religious war! Don't you remember in 2001 that the "joke" was that after 9/11, Boston was cheering for New York (City) and that was why the Yankees did so badly in the play-offs? It was said that the Curse was transferred...George Steinbrenner calls every year during the Jimmy Fund Telethon and donates money. IT’S A SPORTS RIVALRY OVER 100 YEARS OLD. Listen to a Boston or NY broadcast of a game (NESN, YES, or XM Radio), or read a Boston or NY paper and you will NOT find nasty, trivial, immature drivel such as the junk said and written by some "media" outlets of lesser quality....In fact, just last week Bob Ryan on Globe 10.0 (NESN) said how much the media (including Boston) love Joe Maddon. Tom Caron of NESN has been saying since April 1 that Tampa is the team to beat. I will admit that I have been much more aware of the Sox and have purchased more Sox merchandise in the past few years, but not because I'm a bandwagon hopper! We are able to follow the Sox on XM Radio, DirecTV, and the Internet. I'm able to follow ALL baseball (and football) more closely than I could 10 years ago. I email my mother every day, not because I just figured out that I love her, but because I couldn't email her 10 years ago. Technology keeps us all in touch. I knew about Evan Longoria when he played with the Biscuits because my husband was there (do YOU know where the Biscuits play?) on business, remembered the name (because it looks like Eva Longoria) and brought home a stuffed mascot for me. Until Gomes and Crawford threw punches at Coco who was pinned to the ground, I was rooting for the Rays and felt bad that they had no fan base and such an awful place to play. I’ve been to Tampa 100 times and I don’t think you have anything to brag about except a pretty Bay and a couple of nice bridges…so don’t throw stones at our house.

    Posted by Rose in Florida July 1, 08 02:39 PM
  1. Why does anyone from one fan base care what someone from another fan base thinks of them? Sports = competition. You're not supposed to like the opposition because you oppose them and strangely enough, they oppose you. Once in a while I'll read the comment section of something like this and laugh at just about everything that's written because of how stupid both sides of the argument come across.

    Posted by Matt July 1, 08 02:54 PM
  1. "What is garbage like that doing in a major newspaper?"

    It's not in a major newspaper, it's in the St. Petersburg Times.

    Posted by KR July 1, 08 03:03 PM
  1. dewey:

    1) How dare you use the name of a beloved Sox vet.

    2) It did not take the Red Sox 80+ years to win. They were inaugural members of the American League, and then they won:
    The (FIRST EVER) World Series in 1903, and
    5 of the first 15 World Series titles.

    Look, I like the Rays. They're a fun, young, exciting team to watch. I like having another team in the race besides the Yankees. These things go in cycles so I'm enjoying it while I can, because right now, it's pretty clear that the Sox organization is the best in the business.

    Posted by ultimatetrex July 1, 08 03:05 PM
  1. Who is this looser? Saying that Yaz, Rice and Fisk are crotchety, cranky and ornery cusses. They are far from it.....Williams may have been, in his later life, a little strange.

    Posted by Billie Brewer July 1, 08 03:34 PM
  1. I love how Coco is the one taking all the heat for the brawl. Where are the people wondering why Jonny "Mendoza Line" Gomes and Crawford were taking absolute cheap shots at Coco when he was down? Yeah, real tough guys to throw haymakers at a guy being pinned down by a teammate. It is a shame in that they should be such a great story, but the team, fans, and media are so unlikeable it completely ruins it.

    Posted by Gary July 1, 08 03:39 PM
  1. Grew up in MA but haved lived in Tampa for 3 years. These people don't even know what being a baseball fan is about. Their TV announcers are worse than dreadful. The Castigliones, Remys, Trupianos, McDs, Martins, Colemans, etc, are worlds better than Staatz and Magraine. Laughable listening to a telecast. And they are soo whiney and hateful of all things Red Sox. They stink.

    But the best part is this, Rays fan have known only a 10 year history of losing. The one thing they have no concept of is heartbreak. It will be so much fun watching these baseball newbies mope and cry and complain when their beloved hometown team blows a 5 game lead in September, and they paper the walls with their worthless prematurely printed playoff tickets...

    And good job finally fielding a decent team, Rays. It only took you ten years of top draft picks to make it onto a radar screen. Congrats. And congrats on your 3rd place finish this year. You'll be overtaken down the stretch by both the Sox and the Yanks....

    Posted by MKM July 1, 08 03:46 PM
  1. Did anyone defend Simmons? No? Gee, I wonder why not.

    Posted by JK July 1, 08 03:53 PM
  1. Rose's comments are better than many, many sports columns being published every day.

    Posted by OCB July 1, 08 04:01 PM
  1. Obviously Boston fans don't recognize satire. Yes, it's a SPORTS RIVALRY. It's new, and the Red Sox nation is taking being in second place way to seriously. Let the RAYS fans have their fun. Soe of us were Mets fans in '69 and enjoyed that ride. Nonetheless, tell your pitchers that unless they go to the plate they shouldn't be commenting about the dust up last month.

    By the way, if the Bay area is such a terrible place, just stay home and watch the Sox on NESN, don't come to the Trop.

    Posted by Sarasota Ralph July 1, 08 04:22 PM
  1. Jonah, the Braves have never been and never will be "America's Team." What the heck are you smoking?

    Dave, you called them out best. Bandwagon fans. where have they been? Tampa is a flash in the pan, a crap organization with too much talk and not enough walk. I would much rather see a class act like the Royals or San Diego or even the Tigers win. Tampa Bay is the armpit of the sports (and most any other classification) universe, New York being the sphincter ;-)

    They don't have the chops to last a whole season. Even if they do, no one will care. It would be the worst playoff ratings ever, worse even than White Sox/Astros or Giants/Angels. It is too bad Cardinals/Tigers get the worst ratings nod, two teams who are long time classy organizations.

    Anyway. Tampa, bah. A mosquito biting baseball on the ass. Someone will swat them soon enough. No need for it to be the Red Sox, Boston has enough championship glory to bask in right now!

    Posted by wtbates July 1, 08 04:39 PM
  1. I am a transplant from the Midwest who CHOSE to move to the Tampa Bay Area and I am an avid fan of our sports teams down here.... To be a Tampa Bay fan is NOT to hate other teams or their fans.

    There are more people in Tampa Bay who hate Tom Jones at the Times than there are people who hate Boston teams and fans.

    Tom Jones is a loser, period. He writes little that adds to our enjoyment or appreciation of the teams.

    Most people I know throughout Tampa Bay were rooting for Boston to break the curse. Most of us appreciate the Pats, and we were more likely to be rooting for the Celtics a few days ago.

    There is no better evidence of how lame Tom Jones is than the lame list of ten reasons he wants people to hate on Sox Fans.

    Personally, I'd love nothing better than being able to see the Sox and Rays still playing meaningful games in September and October.

    Posted by Rick K in Florida July 1, 08 05:13 PM
  1. Let's not forget the fact that Tampa acquired all of these high draft picks from years of perrennial suckage, but still took FOREVER to get good despite having DOZENS of draft picks from the top 5 overall.
    Boston has built its farm system with players drafted no higher than, what 25th overall?
    Meanwhile, Tampa ownership POCKETS shared revenue instead of spending it on players.
    So give me a break. One half of one season goes well and suddenly you're all experts on building a winning franchise. Start with having a .500 season first.

    Posted by Chris in Illinois July 1, 08 05:17 PM
  1. Ah, yes.... what was the gist of his argument against Red Sox fans?

    Class, that's it. Well, nothing speaks more highly to the "class" of a newspaper website than the banner ad at the bottom of the page that touts 2 for 1 "Mugsaritas" at "Mugs N Jugs". I'm truly humbled to read the exalted St. Pete Times.

    Posted by poisonporkchop July 1, 08 05:30 PM
  1. Wow, I can't believe that Joey Fatone writing under the nom de plume of Tom Jones is really a staff writer for Tampabay.com, nevermind that he could illicit such repsonses!!

    Hey Joey head over to Mugs and Jugs and ponder how enlightened you are.

    Baby, bye bye bye...

    Posted by Goldie July 1, 08 06:38 PM
  1. Red Sox fans have ALWAYS been the most insufferable fans in American sport. They felt special that their team didn't win a World Series. Big deal. 29 teams come up short every year.
    Sox fans have always confused "stupidity" with "passion". 2004 and 2007 did NOTHING to change that.

    Posted by Berto July 1, 08 11:34 PM
  1. Perhaps we should be looking at the reasons behind this hatred that leads to unfair articles like this


    Posted by Beantown SportsFan July 2, 08 12:12 AM
  1. Let us not forget that the St. Pete Times is owned by the New York Times...which also has a 'stake' in the Boston Globe.

    So just think of the SP Times as the Globe's retarded cousin.


    Posted by Philbert July 2, 08 06:29 AM
  1. Red Sox fans have never embraced "lovable losers" like Cubs fans did/have. There is nothing lovable about losing. Red Sox fans, instead, were bitter and jaded. Ernie "let's play two" Banks would have been run out of Fenway by the Knights of the Keyboard and the fans, not necessarily in that order.

    Posted by DChusky July 2, 08 09:19 AM
  1. Tom Jones' (really, Tom Jones, you go by Tom Jones and not TJ or Thomas) column seems to be trying to stir up interest in coming to the park, albeit, in a lame, amateurish way. It makes sense, since the Rays don't draw very well. But the fact remains that his article is meant solely to infuriate a fan base, and i'd bet more people read it because of the Boston Globe's reaction than would even care to read it if it was just in the Tampa rag.

    I moved to Ohio from Mass last year, so i've been able to meet some bandwagoneers out here that have nothing to do with Boston, never been there, never seen Fenway, but are sporting their fresh new "B" hats and talking about Red Sox minor leaguers and how Beckett is the best pitcher in Sox history. They really are the most annoying people in the history of sports fanatics. These people give us a bad name. We don't like them either.

    But, if you are in Tampa, or Cleveland for that matter, it is easy to spot the real Red Sox fan. He or she is wearing the requisite sox shirt or cap, though is probably sitting down and actually watching the game, nervous over any outcome for any batter (because we still remember pre-2004), and cheers at the appropriate time. We're probably not talking smack, probably not starting "yankees suck" chants, and probably not so drunk that we can't see straight. So if you see that guy, say hi, we'll probably say hi back, and maybe talk some good baseball, and we can make fun of any "sox guy" younger than 22.

    The worst bandwagon of all though, is the one Tom Jones has jumped onto, which is, "Let's hate the red sox," which is sweeping the nation. Is Tom saying that he wants his fellow Tampans to come to the games simply out of hatred for the red sox? That may get some there, but that's not how you keep them in the seats. To keep them there, keep them interested, you have to make them love their team, not hate another one.

    By the way, thank you Rose and Rick K in Florida.

    Posted by Nick [in ohio by way of mass] July 2, 08 10:59 AM
  1. For Sarasota Ralph - too bad that you chose to bail on your Mets; there are many of us that have left Boston but STILL love the Sox. Always will. Perhaps champs like you are why the Rays fans get the bandwagon label now that they're winning. BTW - you should also figure that Shields needs to clam up himself, since he's not going to the plate anytime soon either. From what Coco said, Gomes and Crawford both need a manicure as well. Their nails were apparently a bit rough.

    And thanks, I do choose to avoid the Trop myself. That armpit has never been a good place for baseball - wasn't it built to try and lure the White Sox years ago? Then the Giants? And when they both balked, it housed more tractor pulls than anything else. The 'Tax Dome' I believe is what they called it... ha!

    Those constant cowbells are simply annoying. Only there - it's fitting. Between them and the I-275 traffic, it's just not worth it for the trip. Too bad the Rays can't also invest a few bucks into their TV network, and put on more than the equivalent of a closed-circuit high school broadcast. Maybe hire a couple of real MLB announcers as well - not whiney box homers like they've got now.

    P.S. - Berto, seems like you still can't sit down after that '04 ALCS, now can you? Sure, it's painful, but you've got to move on

    Posted by Not the fake Dewey above July 2, 08 11:23 AM
  1. Funniest thing just happened, I was watching the Tampa news, and tonights nationally televised game between the Sox and the Rays is Blacked Out. Even with all the hated Sox fans they can't sell out. Way to go Rays Fans.

    Posted by GlennSRQ July 2, 08 12:33 PM
  1. As a fan of midswest sports teams, now living in New England, I would suggest that the main reason the Sox are hated is their fans. Until 2004, the term I would use to describe the hard core faithful is neurotic self-hate. Rooting for the lowly Tigers for all these many years in Fenway, you would think that I was a spy from the Taliban the way I was treated. Very poorly. By contrast, when I rooted for the Tigers in NYC, Yankee fans were amused by my futility and endearingly arrogant (not without justification, I must say) in a surly NY style, but NEVER nasty toward me. The other side is Boston fans act like their teams invented the sports, yes. But much more than that, everything they learn is about their own team and not league wide, say, as opposed to St. Louis or Denver. They are cloistered and narrow in their outlook. So they think they know everything about the sports of baseball or hockey, but all they know is the Sox or Bruins. The media here need to broaden their broadcasts outside the small semi-incestuous circle they work within, like most of the other media markets. Until then, ignorance and arrogance are a toxic combination, malodorous in the nostrils of sports fans across the land.

    Posted by Bill Monboquette July 2, 08 12:53 PM
  1. Gee, i wonder why all these Soxs fans move away, could it be that sh-thole they call Boston

    Posted by Tom Jones July 2, 08 03:45 PM
  1. All of you Boston fans are ridiculous. Covelli Crisp initiated it all. He said he was going to go out and get somebody. So what doe he do, he takes out Akinori Iwamura on a cheap spikes high takeout. So James Shields responds by hitting him in the thigh. Shields could have aimed high and hit him in the face or head. Instead of walking to first base Covelli decided to charge the mound. He deserved what he got.

    If Boston was in last place for 9 years their fans wouldn't show up either or for any market.

    Posted by dan July 2, 08 03:57 PM
  1. GlennSRQ
    All home games are on FSN Florida.

    Posted by Murf July 2, 08 04:05 PM
  1. GlennSRQ
    All home games are on FSN Florida. It doesn't matter if ESPN is there or not.

    Posted by runningmurf July 2, 08 04:10 PM
  1. Sorry, Boston, but pointing out our low attendance will get you nowhere--we admit it!! There is just too much to do here, unlike that sh*thole you live in/around. Sure, we'll go when the Rays are playing decent, which they have been doing lately, but tomorrow's another day.......fishing, beaching, golf, the list goes on---year 'round, too, baby!!!! Enjoy your craphole city and your 2 world series, plus the cheaters' Superbowl rings.....I'll take Tampa any day

    Posted by BahhstanSux July 2, 08 11:30 PM
  1. St Pete Times is owned by the Pointer Institute.

    Posted by Eric July 3, 08 12:00 AM
  1. For the record, MLB requires a blackout of any national broadcast like ESPN when the local network is televising. The game was sold out. Also the NYT does not own the St. Pete Times. The St. Pete Times is locally owned and independent of any newspaper chain.

    As for other thoughts from Not the fake Dewey, thank you for knowing so much about the area I've lived in for 37 years. Had there been a Tampa Bay franchise prior to the Rays I would have rooted for them. Shields and the rest of the Rays have tried to put the dust up behind them. It was Papelbon, and btw, only Papelbon who decided to keep it going with his comments on TV.


    Posted by Sarasota Ralph July 3, 08 06:22 AM
  1. Why are we surprised inbreds in Tampa are jealous of Boston sports? The Patriots won their superbowls before the 2006 memo on video recording, so stuff your cheating talk, Jethro. Whatever recording if any we did do was legal then. We act like we invented sports? We invented basketball. How many sports were invented in your state? Was anything invented in your state?

    Posted by Trampa Bay July 3, 08 12:21 PM
  1. Sure Trampa,

    Florida became the trash can of America. You see....it was nice place to live, but then all the Northeastern losers, who didn't like the cold, or lost their job at the factory, came down here for better weather, and a new job.

    Now when people talk about our sports markets, it's not the people who live here who are the problem, but the trailer trash Red Sox fans who only show up when their team is in town, thus weakening the market. It's simple really 2.5 million people in Tampa Bay, 1.5 million love living here, 1 million are Taxachusetts rejects....the numbers don't lie. Maybe the Rays will move or be contracted, then all the Tampa Bay Red Sox fans can locust over to another city.

    P.S. It was your retired Moms and Dads who moved down here and screwed up the ballot box when Bush supposedly beat Gore. Thanks for that too losers.

    Posted by dewey July 3, 08 09:35 PM
  1. "Wasn't Dan Wheeler on the Astros a couple years ago? I don't count that as homegrown, even if he did come from the Rays organization originally." (Posted by J-Bone)

    Yeah, he was released by the Devil Rays and kicked around with the Mets and Braves before Houston. Doesn't really belong in the "Homegrown Talent" column.

    Posted by Ben July 5, 08 11:12 PM
  1. #10, Dave, wrote about the 60s, when Fenway was filled with fans during years that the team was rotten. Not really true. I lived in Kenmore Sq then, and in the early 60s the park often was empty. I'd walk over and get in the bleachers free at times in the 6th or 7th inning and no one was in the park.

    Posted by Recifense July 12, 08 01:27 AM
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