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Scenes from Guantánamo Bay

During a military judicial hearing on Monday in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and four other detainees charged with coordinating the attacks of September 11th told Judge Col. Stephen Henley that they wished to stop filing legal motions and to confess in full. However, some of the detainees hedged their statement - suggesting they might change their minds if they could not be assured of execution. By January, some of the nearly 250 men at Guantánamo Bay Detention Facility will have been locked up for seven years. Collected here are photos of the multiple detention facilities at Guantánamo Bay - all photographs either reviewed by or released by the U.S. Military. (30 photos total)

A detainee washes his hands in Camp 6 high-security detention facility on the U.S. Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2008. By January, some of the men will have been locked up on this U.S. military base in Cuba for seven years. President-elect Barack Obama has vowed to close the detention center at Guantánamo and is weighing what to do with the roughly 250 foreigners who are being held. (AP Photo/Brennan Linsley)
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250 comments so far...

The surgical mask for the Koran is a very interesting detail - never heard that before. Also, Guantanamo must be shut down.

Posted by Adam December 10, 08 12:37 PM

Politics aside, I must admit a feel compassion for the detainees after finding out Harry Potter is one of their favourite books.

Posted by Frank (The Netherlands) December 10, 08 12:40 PM

they should be shot instead of being maintained by the american taxpayer

Posted by Dee December 10, 08 12:40 PM

There is nothing wrong with the facility or location.

What is wrong is that these people, regardless of what slime they might be, are being held without being charged, without representation, and without due process.

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I can't help but think how nice that weather is compared to where I am now!

Posted by Patrick Henry December 10, 08 12:42 PM

@Patrick Henry: That's why it's called Camp Justice! (What a crock.)

Posted by Ben December 10, 08 12:46 PM

Nice set of photos but I don't trust anything reviewed by the U.S. military before being released. Always makes me wonder what photos didn't make it out of "Camp Justice".

Posted by Sara December 10, 08 12:51 PM

#3, that could be said for all incarcerated prisoners. It doesn't work that way in the United States. They should at least be tried for their supposed crimes, instead of being held indefinitely without charges.

Posted by Eric December 10, 08 12:55 PM

It is a travesty that the American flag hangs in the Kangaroo Courtroom depicted in photo #24. America was established after our Founding Fathers fled a nation that did not recognize the rights of due process and Habeas corpus as being fundamental to a free and just society; that is precisely why those rights are held among the most cherished guaranteed under our Democracy. Providing suspected terrorists with basic judicial rights does not hamper our nation's ability to mete out justice upon the guilty and it does provide an example to America's critics why Democracy should be a desirable pursuit. Guantanamo Bay does neither. it is an abomination and a reminder of humanity's Darker Side that should be dismantled at once!

Posted by Jim December 10, 08 01:03 PM

Pictures from the al-Queda joining brochure .... what an embarrassment to America. I can't wait for that place to be shut down, and the prisoners be given a fair trial. Sure they aren't citizens, and yes they may be the scum of the earth, but we are supposed to be the world's gleaming beacon for freedom, not the operator of prison camps where you are held for years without being charged with anything.

Posted by J December 10, 08 01:07 PM

They should get proper trials quickly. 7 years is a long time to be incarcerated without proof of guilt.

Posted by Joe December 10, 08 01:10 PM

Conversely it is incredible to think what those idiots would do to any Christian or Jew they might have captured... or probably still will do once they are released.

Posted by Jon T December 10, 08 01:13 PM

Wonder what percentage of these prisoners are actually innocent?

Posted by Jose December 10, 08 01:14 PM

Bush and Cheney should both get to spend time here after leaving office. At least as long as its open.

Posted by curtis December 10, 08 01:19 PM

It's good to see that comments are running 6:1 on the injustice side of this. Certainly there should be a price to pay if found guilty, but we signed at the Geneva convention and completely broke that accord when Guantanamo Bay was set up for this. Nothing in the world is black and white, there are only varying shades of gray. And it is supposed to be the American Way when it comes to deciding guilt...that is the court's job and all should be innocent until proved otherwise...and to put an exclamation point to this...remember the Salem Witch trials? Hysteria breeds fear, which breeds injustice.

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Posted by Sue Choppers-Wife December 10, 08 01:21 PM

This prison appears very clean and quite. I've always thought that a prison would be an horrible place to live.

Posted by amertum December 10, 08 01:29 PM

It would be nice to find out how many are innocent or guilty by trusting in the American Judicial system.

A confession extracted by torture isn't a real confession.

Posted by Jason December 10, 08 01:34 PM

Modern concentration camps...

Posted by PMass December 10, 08 01:36 PM

Dee, the prison system is ideally meant for rehabilitation, not just to kill off people you may judge to have no value to humanity.

Besides, are you really advocating the murder of detainees that don't even get trials or any form of due process? These people are being held without a way to ever prove themselves innocent, and you want to kill them?

Posted by Don December 10, 08 01:42 PM

Great pictures, it seems much nicer than a normal lockup even stateside with great care given to their religious preferences.

I understand the feeling that the suspected terrorists should get treated humanely even if they would slit the throats of those they would capture but the simple fact is these men are not covered under the Geneva convention. They are not uniformed combatants who use a centralized command structure. I think these pictures and many press reports show America treats suspected terrorists, even those caputured on the field of battle, more very humanely.

Posted by Aaron December 10, 08 01:43 PM

Everything about this is wrong.

When we reflect on this moment in history, it will certainly be one of the low points for the US. And we wonder why the rest of the world no longer respects our judgment.


Posted by John in Arkansas December 10, 08 01:50 PM

After 60 years of the Universial Declaration of Human Rights, there are still people who think it's OK to incarcerate or even shoot people without due process.
How so very sad.

Posted by Norbert December 10, 08 01:53 PM

They should be freed and sent to live in the neighborhoods (if not the homes) of everyone who flippantly blames the allies and declares the innocence of the prisoners. Especially anyone who would compare it to a "concentration camp," a term I'm sure you don't know, introduced during the Cuban independence fights of the late 1800's. Were the Jews allowed to have Temple? Were they held and fed and given books and recreation for years, or systematically starved to death? Really, be against Gitmo, but please, to compare it to the Nazis is disgusting and just shows how uniformed your opinion is.

Posted by Millard December 10, 08 02:00 PM

Rather than killing the detainees (without trial?) as one commenter has suggested and certainly others will suggest, we need to find a fair and just solution for this thorny problem. If we cannot dedicate time and resources to Guantanamo, with the intent to close the chapter fairly and close the prison, we will never restore our reputation worldwide for leadership in balancing power with principles.

Posted by Karen E. December 10, 08 02:03 PM

We should release all of them into the U S. Where they can start cells of terror.
Maybe they will go to Calif. and join all the other wackos. And help bring about a true revolution. Lets get rid of all christians ideals and let them take over so all the men can have several wife slaves. If men complain they can kill them and claim a place in the great beyond.

Posted by Slo Ed December 10, 08 02:12 PM

I refuse to believe that these are American concentration camps.

If they were, the American people would have voiced their outrage and refused to be represented by modern day Nazis.

Posted by Walter Rickard December 10, 08 02:13 PM

Rights? These people would cut your throat and the heads off your children if they had the chance. The only right they deserve is a bullet to the back of the head.

One day 10 years from now we will wish we had killed them all when we had the chance.

Posted by MarketGarden December 10, 08 02:13 PM

Many of these people were arrested simply for being brown. There are horror stories of American citizens, arrested in Canadian or European airports, shuttled here, interrogated & redeposited in Arab countries - American citizens who do not speak Arab. Yet we see these pictures and automatically assume that since these people are in prison, they must be guilty.
What if it's you next, white american? Picked off the line for smiling wrong at the peace officer? This is harsh.

Posted by Elmont Leonard December 10, 08 02:15 PM

I would agree with Aaron on this one. Gitmo is necessary for American safety. I don't want to live with the feeling that people who helped plan the coldblooded slaughter of hundreds of Americans are running around on U.S. soil. Compared to the way that these people treat our soldiers that they capture, we are giving these guys good treatment. The interrogation techniques used at G-mo are tame compared to the bloody torture terrorists put our men through when every our soldiers are captured. I like what John T said. These men would brutally torture and kill anyone whom they incarcerated.

Posted by LAH December 10, 08 02:15 PM

Beautiful photos. Can you imagine being locked in such cells for seven years of your life? Indeed, we'll need to shut this down. I think it's a mark of imperialism, being located on foreign soil and thus not needing to abide by US laws.

Posted by Jay December 10, 08 02:17 PM

#9 stuns me. The juxtapositioning of the "educational opportunity" and the ankle chains on the desks is jarring.

Posted by idahogie December 10, 08 02:18 PM

The American Government should give everyone of the prisoners in there $1M each, then fly them to where ever hey would like to live, and formally apologize, then set hem free. Then close the base permanently, and give the land back to Cuba, then end the embargo.

Posted by Justice December 10, 08 02:18 PM

No one seems to ponder just how you put to trial enemy combatants. They have not been mirandized, they cannot question their accusors, there cannot be discovery, their arrestors cannot be cross examined. It is literally impossible for them to be tried the way Americans like to think they should be. The only option for a judge would be to free them all. While I agree they should not simply be held in limbo indefinitly; there has to be a unique way of dealing with these circumstances. To just grant them all Constitutional rights would be disasterous. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Posted by Travis Hassig December 10, 08 02:19 PM

What a bunch of liberal pinkos. They are too cushioned there if you ask me.

Put them all in a hole, fill it in, and cover it with a pig farm.

Posted by Frankie December 10, 08 02:19 PM

This place is much nicer than these scum deserve. They should be housed with pigs.
They are not Americans and deserve no courtesy that the constitution offers. They should be treated, housed, and fed as military prisoners of war and tried by a military tribunal. If found guilty, they should be shot.

Posted by Joel December 10, 08 02:20 PM

I for one support the incarceration of every last one of those filthy pigs. Lock them up and throw away the key. These animals would slit the throat of your kids and give it no thought whatsoever, and you want to shower them with rainbows and hugs? Do you understand that there are people out there who hate you simply for being you, and that it takes a new, harsher, and realistic way of dealing with them? Go back and look at the pictures of people choosing to jump out of a burning building 1000 feet up in the air rather than be burned alive, and tell me that these a-holes don't deserve a special place in hell, and as much hell on earth as we can give them.
Thank God there will always be, and have always been, real American ready to stand and fight and not you pansies, or we'd still be sipping tea and singing "God Save the Queen".

Posted by A Patriot December 10, 08 02:20 PM

Actually, whats sad is that people think this is inhumane. Notice, the vast majority of these prisoners get clean, sanitory and dare I say comfortable places to sleep, clothing to wear, they are provided for in terms of their religion, their physical needs, and even their entertainment.

Whats even sadder is that many of these people would not hesitate to cut your head off with a a rusty sword, video tape, then send it your family.

Posted by dave December 10, 08 02:22 PM

I dare say that the vast majority of people in the USA are opposed to placing an innocent person in jail. Hopefully a large percentage of the population also has no problem with locking-up someone who believes it is their purpose in life to kill others. I hope that a real effort is being made to honestly and quickly determine which type of person is sitting in Guantanamo today.

Posted by Michael Patrick December 10, 08 02:23 PM

enemies of the state, terrorists, don't deserve to live so well. there are people in our own country not so well off as the detainees. the place doesn't look that bad. they should be happy the conditions arent worse. you think the terrorists would treat your captured soldier children as well? THINK ABOUT IT SOFTIES. Their only objective is to kill you in the name of Allah.

Posted by Alex December 10, 08 02:24 PM

Our troops should have found a way to "neutralize" these combatants when thety had a chance. What a waste of taxpayer dollars!!!

Posted by Jim December 10, 08 02:26 PM

Wow. Looks like a clean, well maintained place where the prisoners are actually taken care of. Wonder how it would look if Al Qaeda was running the place and the prisoners were Americans? Bloody with bodies on one side and decapitated heads on the other...

Posted by Jerry December 10, 08 02:32 PM

I'm pretty sure our POWs have gotten the very same treatment. Play time, prayer time, free education, books, movies, etc. And they were obviously given trials by their peers in a civilian court that provided them legal representation. I've always known Bostonians were a bit off, but people, this is friggin ridiculous. They're POWs. You hold them until the conflict is over or a prisoner transfer is arranged. Those suspected of “war crimes" can be tried by Geneva. This isn't a jail full of petty criminals; it's a prison of dangerous enemy combatants. They haven't any rights in our country beyond what Geneva permits.

Posted by Bob December 10, 08 02:36 PM


Posted by Anonymous December 10, 08 02:38 PM

"31.The American Government should give everyone of the prisoners in there $1M each, then fly them to where ever hey would like to live, and formally apologize, then set hem free. Then close the base permanently, and give the land back to Cuba, then end the embargo.

Posted by Justice December 10, 08 02:18 PM "

Thanks, Osama... we'll keep your suggestion in mind.

Posted by Bob December 10, 08 02:38 PM

What a shame that so many people in this country don't see the absolute need for this facility to exist. Hopefully, when Gitmo is shut down and one of these poor misunderstood terrorists participates in the next attack on the US, the people who lose their lives are left wing azzhats who have fought the war on terror at every turn.

Posted by Fuque LeDems December 10, 08 02:38 PM

You people can only think about how many are innocent when you aren't even thinking about how many are terrorists that would stop at nothing to destroy our society and constitution that you so willing would like to give to them. I agree that it isn't the best way to keep prisoners of war but you think of a better way that would work. There are always going to be skeptics so why dont you go on with your liberal lives and go protest something else so that you can be happy. These people are prisoners, now I hate Bush just as much as the other average joes but this is the best way. Just think of the guilty ones, think of what they would do to you if you were in Iraq and they captured you. Just think about that, do you think they would give you due process. Probably not, they would put a gun to your head and murder you right then and there without a trial. At least we are giving them a nice facility to live in. It isn't like we are taking them there and immediately killing them. These "terrorists" are probably living better than 10% of America, so grow up and stop living in your naive utopia where everything is perfect because it isn't going to happen.

Posted by Brandon M December 10, 08 02:40 PM

When they start to wear uniforms, and choose to fight away from civilians, then they should be protected once captured. They have two choices:
1. Fight a more effective method of warfare for them (guerrilla), but sacrifice the protections
2. Fight a more traditional method of warfare (far less effective), but enjoy the protections that come along with it.
Their current methods result in far more coalition troops dying, more civilian deaths, etc.. I'm sure for them, losing this protection is a small price to pay for the advantages guerrilla warfare brings. Sad that people here want them to have their cake and eat it too.

Posted by drfrink24 December 10, 08 02:42 PM

Obviously, Sara, the pictures of all the waterboarding......and the rack.......and all of the fingernails which were forcibly removed......oh yea, and the photos of the inmates with the panties on their heads.......give me a break.

You'd better get used to a Gitmo under the management of one Barrack Hussein's going to be open for business for many many months to come......

Posted by jwh December 10, 08 02:45 PM

You are all fools... you are selling your freedom and your country... I came from USSR and when I was there political prisoners had to work in a harsh environment and nobody gives a crap about your religion or rights... If you would be caught by these people, you will be beheaded. Give them all the rights so they can butcher you, rape you women and children... BEVARE, THE IDEOLOGY OF ISLAMOFACHISM IS COMMING!!! Look at the Great Britain. Islam is there and kicking some A**, kids not allowed to eat Jell-O because it based on pork, Christian holidays replaced by Muslims’
You deserve everything coming to you!!!

Posted by Felix December 10, 08 02:46 PM

It's funny how many of you know for a fact that every prisoner is completely guilty without fair trial. Actually, it's not funny, it is absolutely terrible.

Please stop with the "us vs them" mentality. Why do you automatically characterize them as monsters without even knowing what they are in for?

Posted by BC December 10, 08 02:47 PM

Fascinating photos.

Like many Americans, I'm concerned by the legal limbo that Gitmo hangs in. But I'm more concerned with Americans who care more about Guantanamo making America look bad (as if global politics is a popularity contest). Is it something to be proud of? Probably not. But is it a concentration camp? Definitely not. Everybody needs to get off their soapbox and be realistic about this place.

Posted by Claire December 10, 08 02:51 PM

There is something horribly ironic about a POW/MIA flag being flown at a POW camp where we are not following the Geneva Conventions. (#12)

Posted by Mike December 10, 08 02:52 PM

To all of you that says its okay because they would gladly cut our throats if they were in charge.... WE ARE NOT THEM. America is a far more civilized country with all the laws and dignity that make this country so great. To treat them as they would treat us, to kill them outright with fair justice would just be lowering us to their level. We have to prove we are better them, that we do not act like them and outright torture and kill our prisoners and prove what they believe....that we are the evil empire they think we are. You call yourselves patriots yet to advocate behaving like barbarians. My America is not a murderous, barbaric country. Their country is. Stop trying to make it into one.

Posted by Xac December 10, 08 02:54 PM

#4 is right. we should show them the same due process they show americans they capture. OUT WITH THE SABRE AND OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by p edwards December 10, 08 02:55 PM

To "PMass"... Obviously you have never seen pictures of concentration camps!

Posted by Richard Adams December 10, 08 02:58 PM

I'm surprised that there is actually some respect shown towards these prisoners' and their religion - each of them are actually given a Qu'ran, prayer mat, the markers everywhere pointing to Mecca etc.

Ironically, that is more respect shown than "they" themselves - the ones in there that actually are terrorists; murderers - show to their own religion when killing in its name.

Posted by Carl December 10, 08 03:00 PM

They all have done something to deserve to be there. Gitmo should not be shut down, in fact it should be used more. I am also disturbed by the fact they have as many freedoms there as they do. They should not get to see the light of the day, they should not get to read. If you inflict harm on my country or my fellow service members you deserve nothingness.

I HOPE that it would CHANGE into a much worse place than it is.

Posted by William December 10, 08 03:08 PM

So I've been reading the comments and notice that they seem to only be in 3 categories - "Gitmo should be shut down, fair trials all around", "They should just be killed", and "Excellent photography".

Do I think terrorists should be punished for any crimes they commit or help others commit? Yes.

Do I think they should have FAIR trial? Yes.

Do I think they should dismantle this camp? Maybe. If they were using it as a temporary holding place until a trial can happen, I don't see the issue. The conditions (according to the photos) are better than some actual American prisons.

Posted by Michael December 10, 08 03:10 PM

"There is something horribly ironic about a POW/MIA flag being flown at a POW camp where we are not following the Geneva Conventions. (#12)

Posted by Mike December 10, 08 02:52 PM "

Really, Mike? They're not following the Geneva Conventions? Can you back that up with some facts? How DO you hold POWs according to GC? Geneva says you can hold them until the end of the conflict. Without trial. I'm pretty sure they're going above and beyond the requirements set forth in the GC.

Posted by Bob December 10, 08 03:11 PM

Looks like a rather cushy life for a terrorist. A lot better than Daniel Pearl ever had.

Posted by Royal Boy December 10, 08 03:13 PM

They are angry, violent, murderous, evil, cruel, sadistic, insane, vicious,
MAD-DOG, demonic, bastard sons of SATAN. They must not be set free.
YOU ( or YOUR family ) may be their next victim. Send them to allah.

Posted by T.Cook December 10, 08 03:18 PM

William, how do you know they did something to deserve being there? Several have been released after it was found there's no way they could have been involved in what they were detained for.

What about those who ARE innocent and being held?

I agree with your sentiment, those responsible for terrorism should be punished. But if we start punishing the innocent, we're no better than those who perpetrated the Sept. 11 attacks.

Posted by Michael December 10, 08 03:21 PM

The prisoners are in prison because they are terrorist and combatants. Many would be free if they had a place to go. Many if not all of their home countries do not want them. All that the US requires is that they return to their country of origin and that country accept responsibility for them. It is true some are being held as prisoners of war and will be repatriated after the war.

The prisoners are not American citizens and are not entitled to enter into the US justice system.This is a military issue! Gitmo prisoners should be transferred to a modern POW prison in the US mainland.


Posted by John P December 10, 08 03:30 PM

These photos are a clear propaganda, for all you fascist so-called patriots to think Guantanamo is democratic (of course some of you simply don't care whether it's democratic or not, all non-Americans should probably burn in hell).
Be aware that the REAL Guantanamo is of course not shown in these -authorized by the army, isn't that enough?- photos! Go ask the guys held there without a trial and released years of torture later. Oh, sorry, I forgot, they are not Americans and they should be shot. Even Jack Bauer can recognize those facts, believe me. Just remember the photos of humiliated prisoners taken in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Just try and open your effing ears and eyes for once, there must be a reason why the whole world turns unamerican, don't you think? Maybe attitudes like some of the above is to blame... But of course everyone else is wrong, only YOU know the truth
Regards from Greece.

Posted by Giannis December 10, 08 03:30 PM

Yes, Guantanamo makes America look very bad, especially from an European point of view. No matter how bad these people are, you can't keep them in jail without judgment.
And if found guilty, I strongly think that it is not making the world better to kill them.
Most of these people didn't just had the chance to have a normal education (and how far of that), it is mainly their only choice to do something of their lives. I do not hate America, but with your education system as well as ours in Europe you should know that as educated people we should let them have a chance (maybe in jail for the rest of their lives) to be forgiven.
Think about developing other countries first with no arrogance, then we would talk correctly about justice for all.

Posted by Nicolas Aubertin, Grenoble, France December 10, 08 03:30 PM

17 Chinese detainees in Guantanamo have been held there for seven years without trial or even proof of real threat. They lived in Afghanistan and fled during the US bombings. They were turned over to the US military from Pakistani authorities.

They are no longer considered enemy combatants by the US, yet the Bush administration fought their release because no country will accept them.

It is probable that there are many other prisoners with similar situations.

Posted by BC December 10, 08 03:40 PM

If we're convinced that it is right to hold people for seven years without proof of their guilt, consider the sort of society that we're becoming while we try to protect it.

Posted by J December 10, 08 03:45 PM

Alot of these comments perpetuate old ideas. ideas that have been around virtually since the dawn of modern man. Fear of the unknown. We fear these foreigners, and don't want to "get to know them." that is a little too much effort for the average american. Some of don't care for guilt or innocence, only revenge for an act that could have been pervented by our government, (9/11). Condemnation for all is much more convenient, and that's how we like here in the USA. Does anyone have the ability to step outside their own perspective anymore? Can we see the big picture anymore? We've been doin the same shit, behaviorally, for hundreds of years, we just have cooler stuff, that's all. I just want some peace. I just want to "be." leave each other alone.

Posted by Trav December 10, 08 03:49 PM

I am very irritated about comment #3. Can't believe you approve such brainless comments here. Very disappointing, sorry.

Posted by Ingo Vogelmann December 10, 08 03:58 PM

#66 wrote:
If we're convinced that it is right to hold people for seven years without proof of their guilt, consider the sort of society that we're becoming while we try to protect it.
If we follow your theory we are not worth to be saved... Victim deserves victimhood if he does not fight for his freedom!!!

Posted by Felix December 10, 08 03:59 PM

Guantanamo is the dirty job that no American wants to do...but it keeps us safe. All of the people who complain about it have never or never will make the kind of sacrifices that the people at Guantanamo make for us. You don't have to do it...but it is so much easier to sit back and cast stones from your safe distance. It is those types of places, like it or not, that allow you the free speech rights that you are using to blast it. Realize that the people there would kill and will kill again if let go and will be hurtful to everything we have done up to this point if let loose because they have 'rights' too.

Posted by John December 10, 08 03:59 PM

I wonder if the folks who named "Camp Justice" realized how ironic it is. The location (Cuba) only adds insult to injury. The present, and indeed history will likely judge this (and the Bush administration) harshly. There's just not enough "white-out" or black marker to redact the quantity and quality of material witness to this folly. It's a sad marker on the times, who's only upside is that we'll manage somehow to eclipse it in the future.

An outstanding pictorial here, there is a creepy "clean" factor in all these shots, so I'll assume they are "approved" and only a varnished reflection of the real day-to-day life for the detainees and guards there.

Posted by KN December 10, 08 04:00 PM

The American Government should give everyone of the prisoners in there $1M each, then fly them to where ever hey would like to live, and formally apologize, then set hem free. Then close the base permanently, and give the land back to Cuba, then end the embargo.
Posted by Justice December 10, 08 02:18 PM

I know where they'd want to fly: right into the side of the Sear's Tower, Empire State Building, and right down on top of Capitol Hill. You, sir, are a follower of left-wing propaganda.

Posted by LAH December 10, 08 04:01 PM

The reason we presume innocence is because often people _are_ innocent, and to punish an innocent man is morally wrong. There are plenty of comments about how we should brutally execute these men without due process. If you think that committing atrocities is how to best defend America, then your concept of America is lower than mine. To be a great country, you must have great dreams. Survival at any cost is not a great dream, it is the credo of cowards. The Bush administration has repeatedly failed to do what is right in the name of what is expedient. And that really is a threat to America.

Posted by Andrew December 10, 08 04:02 PM

A liberal is just a conservative who has not been mugged yet. I totally agree that seven years is way to long to be held with out benefit of a trial by a jury of your peers. But who are their peers. Sure the US signed the G.C, but these guys and the militant organizations the represent did not sign. Witness the beheading, torture, and barbaric treatment of any person who has the bad luck to fall into their captivity.
When turned loose, where do you think they will go and what will they do? Would you welcome them into your home?. Cause that is what we will be doing.

Posted by tom robinson December 10, 08 04:04 PM

too good for them...i whish they were in braziian prisons...much worst!! This people have no mercy in them...just check what happened in India last week.

Posted by arrais December 10, 08 04:09 PM

#74 I have been beaten unconscious. I have been robbed.

It is natural to be fearful, it is an instinct that helps us survive, but you cannot use your fears to rationalize injustice toward others when they have not been proven to be our enemies.

Posted by BC December 10, 08 04:23 PM

Seven years is too long without a trial, whatever you may think of their guilt. Evidence will have dried up, the original basis for their captivity will be even harder to prove, guilty or not. I agree that the guilty should pay a huge price for their illegal activities. And the Geneva Convention is really not in play here as those who truly are part of a terrorist organization that never signed it and would never abide by it have already played fast and loose with their own rights and the rights of others. However, all that being said, seven years is WA-A-A-A-Y too long to determine the guilt or innocence of these inmates. It has turned into one enormous foot bullet for the USA, just as almost everything Bush and Cheney touched has. What I want to know is when is Congress and Obama going to put the rightful limits back on the Presidency that the Republicans illegally allowed to lapse or be ignored.

Posted by Skylep December 10, 08 04:32 PM

I hope that the commenters who are so certain that every detainee in that camp is guilty and deserves to die, will be falsely accused for some hideous crime, and put away without a fair trial.

Is it really so difficult to understand that we're not ONE shred better than the terrorists themselves, if we behave like this???

Posted by Brett Brenneman December 10, 08 04:33 PM

The majority of prisoners who were in Gitmo have already been released as innocent. They remain so. The few still imprisoned without so much as a substantiated accusation against them should all be released.

Putting a bounty for turning anyone in and then not verifying that those turned in are actually guilty of something never works. It does provide for convenient scapegoats though -- innocence being damned.

Posted by Leo Petr December 10, 08 04:37 PM

A democracy who tortures and detain people (because people they remain) without proof of having commited any crime is no longer entitled to be named a "democracy" and even less to hold "holly" wars in the name of "democracy" when the purpose of those wars is not even fighting terrorism or protecting civilians, but get hold of economic power.

Guantanamo is a shame (no matter how clean are the cells and how "respectful" the conditions of detention are for the people that are kept in illegal detention there) and it would have been the best of messages sent to the world if this center had been closed today, on the 60th anniversary of the Universal declaration of human rights.

Posted by Flor Tercero December 10, 08 04:39 PM

I have to say that this prison is more well kept than the California desert prisons. They are even provided current reading material? Preposterous. Anyone in the federal prison system in America would laugh at the thought. Exercise time up to 12 hours a day? The prisoners (citizens of the United States I might add) are lucky to have 2 or 3 hours a week, thanks to overcrowding. I think if I had the option of picking an American prison and Gitmo I'd choose Gitmo.

Posted by Vinha December 10, 08 04:46 PM

hmmmm, 7, 18, and 28 remind me of a certain era of german history that Americans supposedly find appalling.....


Posted by Tony December 10, 08 04:48 PM

You just don't get it. It's not only a concentration camp, which it surely is.

But it doesn't stop there.

It's a theocracy talking to another theocracy.

The only right you americans seem to respect it's the right to pray.

What worries me it's that you both believe in the ultimately truth of your own ideas.

Posted by luis December 10, 08 04:49 PM

Shame the folks flying on those 4 jets on 9/11 can't vote on what to do with these terrorists. Shame the prisoners that the terrorists took captive didn't have Harry Potter books to read. They were beheaded and placed on fire.

Posted by Larry December 10, 08 04:51 PM

Mr. #78 . . . You are an imbecile. Detaining someone in the Caribbean is not one shred better than flying a 757 into a working father's office window at 400 miles per hour. What world do you live in?

Keep trying to hug these Muslims, and they'll keep blowing us up. New York, Madrid, London, Bali, India. Muslims are like great environmentalists. They think globally but act locally!

Posted by John December 10, 08 04:57 PM

What I find ironic is that Harry Potter is one of their favorite books, yet supposedly the West is decadent, wicked, and corrupt. Their lack of understanding of that inherent contradiction would be funny if it weren't so terribly and deadly real.

Posted by Shawn December 10, 08 05:03 PM

Thanks for the censored photos. A hot topic!

Just a few stats. There have been 775 detainees at Guantanamo bay, now the number is down to around 255. Of the 520 to leave Guantanamo, approx 420 have been released without charge. They are free!

So if we think about it, they should be running around slitting everyone's throats according to many of the comments above. But it hasn't happened. Closing Guantanamo and having fair trials for those that remain is viable and morally sound. We should do it.

Posted by Justin Buckland December 10, 08 05:23 PM

"It is a travesty that the American flag hangs in the Kangaroo Courtroom depicted in photo #24. America was established after our Founding Fathers fled a nation that did not recognize the rights of due process and Habeas corpus as being fundamental to a free and just society"

For it's citizens...We do not need to provide due process or habeas corpus for prisoners of war or enemy combatants....Non-citizens do not (and should not) have the same rights as Americans.

Posted by Erik December 10, 08 05:28 PM

The caption to #10 concerns me. I worry as to the definition of "non-compliant detainee" and how one becomes labelled as such.

Posted by Alastair Smith December 10, 08 05:39 PM

Helloooo... It's Emma Watson they're watching it for!

Posted by Bob December 10, 08 05:39 PM

Gitmo is NOT a concentration camp. These guys are not starving for food, they are not being worked to death, and they are not being shoved into overcrowded barracks suitable only for cockroaches to live in.
To think that the reverse is only much worse. Our soldiers who are being held captive are forced to live in horrible conditions, they are starved, tortured, mutilated, and then killed slowly and painfully in front of a camera for the whole world to watch.

@comment #78. Go look for video clips of the soldiers being beheaded in terrorist camps and tell me that we aren't any better than them. Our captive soldiers don't even have the HOPE of a fair trial. At least these men do.

@ comment #82. I have seen my fair share of prisons, and this looks like any other prison that I have seen. watchtowers and barbed wire are necessary for keeping those who wish to harm us separated from innocent civilians.

We are treating these guys WAAAAY better than the way their buddies back at home treat our soldiers. Yes, it is an ugly picture, but is war ever a pretty picture? Realize that these guys are being held because of war. Punishment brings order. I realize mistakes are made. If these guys are innocent, then I feel bad for them being wrongly accused, but I'm not going to attack the government that took precautions to protect its citizens.

Posted by LAH December 10, 08 06:05 PM

Due Process does not apply to these people. Are you idiots insane? These people are not American Citizens. They are POW's at best. POW's are not required to be charged with anything under the law to be held.

Giving non Americans access to our criminal justice system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Look up the rules for detaining a POW before you spout your moronic BS about their supposed rights.

Oh, and one more thing, most of the terrorists being held in Gitmo would just as soon kill you and your entire family. They're not going to ask if you thought they shouldn't be held in Gitmo or should be given access to our courts before they do it either.

You sob story liberal morons should get the hell out of the United States. The rest of us don't want you killing this country with your suicidal idiocy!

Posted by James December 10, 08 06:09 PM

First off, "A Patriot," I feel ashamed as a Christian that you should say "Thank God" for "real American(s is what I think you wanted to add at the end of that word)." who would punish those who are responsible. If you honestly do believe in a god to be thanked you should review your religion. Every religion who prays to God, be it Christianity, Judaism, or Islam (yes islam, some radicals have just effed it up for the rest) has a non-violence belief. And Chrisitianity says we should turn the other cheek, and love our enemies. The problem with the Bush administration is that he is touting a religious war against terrorists, when our actions at Guantanamo are the exact reason people hate the US. Rather than continue to anger these people we should help them to rebuild their nations, and gain their respect and trust again. I long for the day when Christians, Jews, and Muslims can all live together without persecution.

Posted by Ken December 10, 08 06:13 PM

Least we forget these detainees would kill us and our families without hesitation if released.

Posted by Lawn Guy December 10, 08 06:18 PM

Dear Erik (#88),

Take a minute to brush up on your history. It says ALL men are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights.

There's nothing in there about rights being location specific.

A very smart person once said the true test is not in how we treat our friends, but in how we treat our enemies.

Posted by Jim December 10, 08 06:59 PM

these photos have propaganda written ALL over them

Posted by seb December 10, 08 07:04 PM

@Shawn #86: I can see no inherent contradiction. What we know is that there are detainees who read Harry Potter. We can also assume that some detainees would agree that "the West is decadent, wicked, and corrupt". But how do you know that these two groups overlap?

Posted by Erik December 10, 08 07:07 PM

disgusting.. it's astonishing that whist such a hideous blot on the american colonial pursuit can never be removed, some would still stand in defence..

and perhaps, sadly, it will never be forgiven.

Posted by d b December 10, 08 07:19 PM

Everyone is bringing out some witty remark or conculsion to support shutting this camp down, claiming how it is wrong and against our ideals as a land of freedom. They compare us to the germans of wwII or worse a a small group of a religion extremists which thrives on violence against it's enemies which misqoutes it's on doctrine. The truth of the matter is this, people are missing the real debate. There has been ongoing war of difference in religion, plain belief, and way of life of groups of people separated by time, location, and upbringing. we as a world will never agree. The problem arises when feeble minded and weak spirited people turn to violence. I am in no way a war monger but when you rain down violence upon my homeland, it's citizens, and my family I will defend with violence which I hope is measured and just until you cease. I feel for the small band of possibly innocent person that may have been detained or worse abused at this camp. I truely do feel for those persons, but if it saves the lives of innocent people here and aboard than it has served it's purpose to humanity. I hope that it closes soon as a result of reaching what it's intended duty was to do. it has been marred by incidents that in a perfect world should not have happened and we will bear the scars as a country, but the failure would have not to expose what happened and pretend that we were perfect as a country. We are not but we have become great by wheathering storms of failure, shame, and pure ugliness. BUT WE HAVE RECOVERED AND CHANGED THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE FAILED - WE HAVE NEVER BEEN AFRAID TO TRY AND BY THAT COURSE FAIL. We know that groups of terrorist have only one goal, to reign with terror. We can NOT allow this to come onto our soil. We CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT live in fear from these animals when so many other uncertainties abound. We should continue to do what we can to stop this and the process is dirty but it has to be done. I feel that we as a country are seeking means to end this despite what everyone says they feel they know it has to be done or it will escalate and we refuse to meet the threat directly that would be our biggest failure.

Posted by Steve December 10, 08 07:21 PM

These are evil people. If they close gitmo they should be out into American prisons so the other jackals can treat them as they deserve.

Kill these people. They started it and now they have been vanquished.

Plus, the hell with you bleeding hearts who are too naive to recognize evil. Dont doom us with your misplaced sympathy.
Kumbaya doesnt work with these people.

Posted by Liberals Stink December 10, 08 07:24 PM

As an American, I feel ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens seem wrapped up in hate. (And not just on this comment board, but some of my friends and family as well.) Yes, there are people who hate America and want to do (and have done) terrible things to innocent people.

But can you not see that hate begets hate? That if we hold this anger in our hearts and lash out at anyone we assume is responsible, we are just perpetuating this hate? Then it becomes OUR fault as well.

It doesn't even seem like the real issue here is about Gitmo, it seems more 'kill the bastards that did this to us because they would kill us in a heartbeat.' That may be true for some of them, but do you really know that? I'm not saying let accused killers into your homes, but don't want to kill or harm them based on an accusation alone...

I don't think we should sit idly by while terrorists harm us, but attacking them back is not the answer. Finding the root of the problem, the WHY of all this, and FIXING it is the answer. Not with guns or bombs but with negotiation, humility, and peace.

Posted by Lindsey S. December 10, 08 07:37 PM

Detaining human beings without any judgement in forcibly occufied land. This is the 'Justice' by them.

Posted by Q December 10, 08 07:48 PM

I find it amusing how many people here just want to kill them without realizing how many are in there for minor connections to these groups. I don't know myself and don't claim to, but it's a sad day when we start advocating the killing of people we aren't sure are guilty. Tell me please, do you KNOW that they deserve to be there? Or do you just trust that anyone imprisoned (without trial that is) is guilty? I think the number of times that we have been wrong with that in our own prisons should show that we should be careful here.

If you actually knew some Muslim Arabs (not Arab-Americans) then you would know that there are plenty of them who are just like us, living their lives and protecting their families in their homes. It's not every Muslim's fault that terrorism has brought this conflict around the world, and some just have the bad luck of living near it.

What if war somehow came to US soil (yeah right our military could easily prevent that, but still hypothetical situation) and you were accidentally picked up by foreign troops and carted off to some prison thousands of miles from your home and family? It's easy to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and have someone think you are something you aren't, especially when so many of us do what you are doing and bunching an entire religious and ethnic group into one entity.

There are people who are innocent in Guantanamo, but most likely not many. The military gets no benefit by arresting just anyone. But we can't wipe out the whole lot just because many are guilty. I bet many of those guilty are for fairly minor crimes, certainly not deserving death.

Posted by Mattan Ingram December 10, 08 08:11 PM

If anybody wonders why America has fallen so low in the eyes of the world just read some of these coments.

Where did the America of fairness and basic human decency go? When was this America replaced by "lets kill them, they are all terrorists even if they havent been given the chance of a fair trial"? When was the America who believed in rehabilitation, even of Nazis after WWII, become a place where foreign detainees are lower than dogs?

Gitmo is certainly not a resort, whatever these pictures may show, over 20 people have attempted suicide. Pictures do lie. Here's some choice quotes:

"On July 2, 2008, the International Herald Tribune revealed in an article that the U.S. military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 had based an entire interrogation class on a chart copied directly from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist torture techniques"

"Lord Steyn called it "a monstrous failure of justice," because "... The military will act as interrogators, prosecutors and defense counsel, judges, and when death sentences are imposed, as executioners. The trials will be held in private. None of the guarantees of a fair trial need be observed."

"In June 2006, U.S. Senator Arlen Specter stated that the arrests of most of the roughly 500 prisoners held there were based on "the flimsiest sort of hearsay""

"According to government records obtained by the Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act, more than 20 detainees under the age of 18 have been brought to the prison camp since 2002."

Posted by Jorge Lopez December 10, 08 08:43 PM

Either charge these people or let them go. It's absolutely disgusting how long this has been allowed to continue.

Posted by ghostmac December 10, 08 08:47 PM

If these people are all so obviously evil and guilty, why not give them a fair trial and then execute them? Why have them hanging around so long and causing all this controversy? What are we afraid of?

Posted by Steve December 10, 08 09:02 PM

Who'd have thought this would be possible in a "democracy".

Posted by Christian December 10, 08 09:34 PM

How the heck would a Senator know ANYTHING about the conditions of these prisoners arrests? Why do we need to give them a fair trial? Would they give YOU a fair trial? Of course, as the majority of liberals think, it's not the individuals fault that they are bad people, it's their upbringing, or society's fault. Give me a break!!!!! These people make a concouse(sp?) choice to do things that cause great harm and pain to other people. Having been to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Military Aged Males that we arrested were always guilty of something. Why shouldn't they be sent to a POW camp? POW's can be held for duration of a conflict. And due process? Yeah right. NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! These people are held under a comletely differrent set of rules. They don't even fall under the Geneva cConvention actually. Uniformed enemy combatants fall under the GC. NONE of the terrorists I ran into were uniformed! Sure, let these brain-damaged clowns out. Heck, let them out into the population of the US, since according to you folks whining about due process obviously think they should have the same rights as you, why can't they live in our country. They can't be bad people! They were OBVIOUSLY imprisoned just because GW wanted them to be, not because they did anything wrong. When GW is no longer POTUS, Osama, sorry, I meant Obama; will come riding in on a white horse and fix everything, starting with our "mistake" in Gitmo.

Maybe setting them free wouldn't be such a bad idea! That way, when they make it back to their country, and then back to their individual 4-5 man terror cells, we have ANOTHER CHANCE TO KILL THEM! Good thought liberal panty-waists, let them out! The more targets there are, the easier it is to concentrate heavy firepower on them, and do the world a favor.
Unfortunately, the people complaining about the prisoners treatment more than likely haven't seen anyone destroyed by an IED, or bleed out from a sniper round through the neck. Guess what, I'm not talking about Amercans or our Allies. I'm talking about children, Iraqi police, Iraqi Army. Innocents and people who want to help their country, getting killed by people who just want to stir up trouble because their religion "tells" them to. And to think, God blessed the most mentally/religiously unstable area on the Earth with vast oil fields and nearly immeasurable riches.
Back to Gitmo, 7 years isn't that long to be a POW. Especially when you are treated better then prisoners in the US. I seem to remember someone recently, didn't he spend 7 years in a POW camp? Oh, whats his name, whats his name.

OH THATS RIGHT, HE WAS A PRESIDENTAL HOPEFUL! Ask him how he was treated during his 7 year vacation courtesy of the NVA. Maybe I should be a terrorist; that way, if I don't get killed, I can get sent to some nice facility where my every need will be met and my defense will be paid for AND done by the very people I hate most in this world. Ironic isn't it?

Posted by ENRAGED! December 10, 08 09:42 PM

Those who believe "they would kill us, so we should kill them" as being a genuine justification for Guantanamo are no better then the majority of it's occupants. You claim to be from the land of the free and yet are happy to stoop as low as necessary to get "justice". Last time I checked the US was not a terrorist organization, so while it may be fighting one, it can't treat it's prisoners as if it were one.

Posted by timmy December 10, 08 10:21 PM

I was actually stunned at how humanely these people are being treated.

Then I remember that the issue here is not the condition of the prison but the complete lack of due process. While some of these men are undoubtedly guilty and deserve much worse, there is no way to know exactly who because they are denied every basic right that American citizens are given. While it's commendable that they are given freedom to pray and read the Quran, don't let that mask the injustice that has been done.

And yes, many of you are correct that terrorists wouldn't think twice about killing any American they caught, but you make two fundamental mistakes. First, you assume that all of these prisoners are terrorists, which simply isn't true, and second, some of you associate that alleged cruelty with Islam (probably due to the very clearly religious images seen here). Anyone who commits an act of terror is, by definition, not muslim, regardless of whether they pray or kill in the name of Allah. To make that statement is the same as judging all Christians by the sack of Jerusalem during the Crusades or all Jews by the Israeli occupation of Palestine; it's just not fair.

Posted by A Muslim December 10, 08 11:45 PM

The US government has historically chosen to abide by the Geneva Convention in all cases, regardless of the enemy we are fighting. This is documented in numerous orders given to the military. We hold ourselves to a higher standard.

The treatment they are receiving is better than they would receive in any prison of any kind anywhere in the world. The treatment is above and beyond even what the Geneva Convention requires.

While some may be innocent, at least the guilty ones are lucky we didn't skin them alive as soon as they surrendered a lesson for the others. Because under the terms of the Geneva Conventions they have no rights, and we can do what we want. They are lucky to be alive.

You all need to get your damn facts straight before you have a knee-jerk screaming hissy fit. You are embarrassing yourselves.

Posted by Dave December 10, 08 11:50 PM

I wonder if a bunch of jailed Christians would have their religious rights observed if they were in an Afghanistan, Iraqi, Iranian, Pakistani or Syrian jail? Would they be supplied a Holy Bible with a mask to keep it off the ground? Would their captors observe their “quiet time”? Would they ultimately receive a fair trial?

Posted by None December 10, 08 11:54 PM

why is it so hard to conceive that some of the prisoners are guilty and some are innocent? I believe the people commenting on the need for fair trials or due process intend to seperate the innocent from the guilty. Prisoners who are found to be actually guilty of being enemy combatants, and perpetrating some awful crime of war or murder etc., should be punished. But the innocent, some of which have already been found and released, should not be condemned to the same fate. Those who would group them all together as the most evil of enemies, without any proof, betray the very idea of freedom which they ignorantly profess. I hope the years to come will bring a return to some basic moral principles that our country was founded on, such as the equality of all humanity (regardless of citizenship), the golden rule rather than eye-for-an-eye, and the essential right of all people to face their accuser in a court. That's the America that I know and love, and which the world needs now.

Posted by j December 10, 08 11:59 PM

A Lovely place that these re-premitivised men and vicious criminals don't deserve.

They should be kept in a place where they can never see the sun, the way they denied it to many innocent people.

Posted by Hal Rogers December 11, 08 12:32 AM

This is almost 'SOVIET PROPAGANDA' photos.. only better!

Almost no prisoners, looks so empty.. and so much tolerance for those kept in there! That's a big totalitarian LIE!!!

I was raised behind the infamous Iron Curtain and I'm really sick of such manipulations!

Don't forget that those people are hold there without any kind of trial for 7 freaking years.. most of them are common peasants caught with AKs - and they have absolutely nothing to do with global terrorism! Not all of them.. but so many innocent people kept in there... it would be interesting to see suicides statistic?

Is this post sponsored by US Army/goverment, I'm just wondering...

Posted by Jaroslav December 11, 08 02:35 AM

"Their only objective is to kill you in the name of Allah."
And yours is to kill 'em in the name of God.
What's the difference?

Posted by Marcus December 11, 08 04:25 AM

The intolerance here is absolutely frightening. Just... wow.
Some people sound like they've got some 1000 year-long personal blood feud going on! Yet the worst that can happen is that you end on the street because you can't pay off your debt.

Seriously, no wonder the worlds thinks so little of the USA.

Posted by Chris December 11, 08 05:36 AM

OMG! It's just disgusting to read some of the comments.
...and YOU wonder why the American image is stained all over the world? Shame on you.

Posted by Peter December 11, 08 05:36 AM

A very interesting set of photos, they feel very 'managed' which I'm sure they are. The only reason they've allowed them to come out is for public relations I imagine.
The comments are even more telling about how this has polarised opinion about the place. To me as a non US citizen if Americans have faith in their justice system then they should have demand that these people (some who are probably innocent & some who are probably guilty) are tried in a court of law many years ago. There are many examples in history where governments have 'disappeared' (Nazis, Fascists, Communists etc) people without trial & I hope Americans might see one day what this place has done to their reputation.

Posted by Londonboy December 11, 08 05:38 AM


Modern concentration camps...
Posted by PMass


Posted by sebastian munich December 11, 08 05:52 AM

A great attempt at propaganda.... try again because I am not convinced that this this the real Gitto that the U-Arse-Of-A is trying to depict

Posted by H T December 11, 08 06:59 AM

@ 118 :
+1 !

Posted by glorb December 11, 08 07:47 AM

Some of these comments are highly disturbing and rife with rhetoric, it's scary how easily people can become enflamed in such raw hatred that any morals held high a dropped if only temporarily.

Posted by Edouard December 11, 08 07:58 AM

The photos are incredibly disgusting as they obviously only show what the US military wants us to see. I don't think the reality of guantanamo looks spo jolly with schools and "quite prayer time" signs.

some of the comments of people here are amazingly moronic by the way!

Posted by bronko December 11, 08 08:09 AM

Outrageous comments from ignorant americans. You clearly don't know what you are talking about and what's even worse, you don't seem to care. Sad.

Posted by Laust December 11, 08 09:18 AM

It's more American propaganda to try and soften what was brutal contravention of Humans rights.

Posted by Ireland December 11, 08 09:28 AM

#86, Or, hey, here's a neat idea: maybe a good number of the people in Guatanamo simply *aren't terrorists*, and don't actually believe "the West is decadent, wicked, and corrupt."

Honestly, I find the blind faith many of you have in your government truly baffling. You don't trust them to provide universal healthcare, and yet you believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that everyone imprisoned in Guantanamo is there because they're a bloodthirsty killer. And this despite the fact that quite a few detainees have already been released precisely because it turned out there was no evidence to support the charges against them.

But, hey, it's a lot easier to simply trust the US military to arrest the bad guys than to realize that it is America that might actually be in the wrong.

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 09:40 AM

These pictures really make it look like this is a war against religion and not just against terrorists. "ALL detainees at Naval Station Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, are given a copy of the Koran." Is there anyone at Guantanamo that isn't Muslim?

Posted by Greg December 11, 08 10:00 AM

This is paradise compared to Saddams' camps!

Posted by Rebaz December 11, 08 10:03 AM

Kill them all? Set them all free? The situation is not black and white.

Part of the reason the status of the Guantanamo inmates remains ambiguous is that combatants and non-combatants were swept up in the chaos of war resulting in a mixture of prisoners whose culpability isn't readily apparent.

Liberating the detainees en mass or perpetually detaining (or executing them or worse as some have suggested) without establishing their guilt or innocence is counter to the American way. The conflict under which these men were taken into our custody won’t be resolved by a treaty with a functioning foreign government. Merely holding prisoners for the duration of the war is contrary to our principles when it’s clear that a number of them need to be sentenced for war crimes and a number of them deserve to be sent home to their families.

It’s incumbent on us to do the work of establishing guilt or innocence to the best of our ability. We haven’t done that yet and it’s time.

Posted by Ted December 11, 08 10:04 AM

You know it's not like these people are peaceful and innocent, they are in there for a reason. In most cases they have it bettewr there then they did at home. I think they should be tried but to just let them go would be a mistake.

Posted by Matt December 11, 08 10:24 AM

Hmmm. I wonder. I've heard what goes on in American Prisons. Perhaps we should let these guys into the American prisons, so their fellow inmates can mete out justice the good old fashioned way. These guys are protected over at Gitmo. If they were brought into American prisons, they'd be beaten to death so fast the guards wouldn't be able to do anything about it. so much for "due process of law"

Posted by LAH December 11, 08 10:41 AM

i read the coments and now i understand why muslims hate the US
(i'm from Poland)

Posted by MO December 11, 08 10:45 AM


"You know it's not like these people are peaceful and innocent, they are in there for a reason."

Naive much? Yes, every one of them is in there for a reason. For example, many are there because their neighbours turned them in for a bounty, despite the fact that they didn't actually do anything wrong. Or because the military swept them up and they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 10:56 AM

While I am not American, I understand the anger towards these people streaming from lots of the comments. But you have to understand that if you start targeting and imprisoning people randomly, your country will be nothing but yet another instance of a repression regime. You chose freedom and democracy and you should follow it all the way down. If you don't, you will be a disgrace not only for your country but also for the whole world.

Posted by Metodi December 11, 08 11:21 AM

These pictures are devastating to Muslims all around the world, no matter how big or small, glossy or blurry you present them, they are devastating and unhelpful in all shape or forms. I am not not sure may achieve by posting these pictures. Seems like a terrible idea.

Posted by arif December 11, 08 11:36 AM


Posted by MOOLY December 11, 08 11:37 AM

agreed. there are some sensible people as well though. don't be judgemental like #3. (no offense)
(i'm from hungary)

Posted by attila December 11, 08 11:40 AM



Check again. The text of the bill of rights says:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Note, it says all *men*, not all American Citizens.

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 11:53 AM

"i read the coments and now i understand why muslims hate the US"


Posted by Allan December 11, 08 12:09 PM


Posted by Anonymous December 11, 08 12:22 PM

Yes, the constitution does say that *all* men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. I do agree with that.

However...I like what the navy has done with it "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it" Justice is justice. If a man ends the life of another with malicious intent (I understand accidents happen *take what's going on in Greece right now* but these men have been convicted for plotting against the lives of others. If we were to let these go free, it would be an obstruction to justice. If they are innocent, then they will be set free. Do any of you know for an absolute, concrete fact that these men were falsely imprisoned? I think the answer to that is no.

Posted by Anonymous December 11, 08 12:26 PM

"Look at the Great Britain. Islam is there and kicking some A**, kids not allowed to eat Jell-O because it based on pork, Christian holidays replaced by Muslims’
You deserve everything coming to you!!!"

Er... not sure which reality you live in, but it's not the same one as me. I'm from the UK and eat pork (and pork based food) whenever I like - and I'm looking forward to Christmas ;)

I also shared some lamb curry with a Muslim coworker who was celebrating the end of Ramadan a little while back. That okay with you?

Posted by msep December 11, 08 12:35 PM



Uhh, of course. Specifically, it means that US forces should be expected to respect the rights of all men, specifically, those defined in the Declaration of Independence, because the US government is specifically bound by that document.

Of course, the classic argument is that the document only applies to "all men" on US soil. Which is, of course, why this facility was built off of US soil (much like the various CIA detention facilities).

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 01:27 PM

@ #142

"but these men have been convicted for plotting against the lives of others."

Actually, no, they haven't, which is precisely the point.

"Do any of you know for an absolute, concrete fact that these men were falsely imprisoned?"

I know for absolute, concrete fact that *some* of them were. Which is why many have been released. Given that, it's only logical to assume that some fraction of the remaining individuals in Guantanamo were also falsely imprisoned.

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 01:29 PM

to #142: the whole point is to establish their guilt or innocence in a court of law. You say "...these men have been convicted for plotting against the lives of others." But that is precisely the point - they have NOT been convicted of anything. They are all lumped in together, some by mistake, some for good reason. It's time to find out who is innocent and who is guilty, instead of treating them all the same, and ignoring the very principles that make us free.

Posted by b December 11, 08 01:47 PM

you guys should see the movie "rendition"...

Posted by Jawadde December 11, 08 02:41 PM

Am I the only one wondering how convenient it is that the main conspirators of 9/11 held at Gitmo want to confess their guilt now? After all these years... To have this all neatly wrapped up while G. Bush is still in the office just seems a little peculiar to me. Sure, it could be just a coincidence, but I doubt it.

Obama, you have a lot of work to do to undo the 8 years of dictatorship under Georgie Boy and to repair the international view of America and it's people that stood by and did nothing.

Oh, and nice pictures.

Posted by ChrisY December 11, 08 02:48 PM

It's fascinating watching the emotions this debate rouses. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that we have a prison camp on a supposedly hostile foreign soil. The irony is so thick, you can suffocate under it. On one hand, we're boycotting Cuba and making it extremely difficult for their economy and their sovereign rights, yet we have a camp that is doing the same to the prisoners there. Without a trial, we don't really know the extent of these people's guilt. Under our Democratic system of ideals, we must be willing to enforce them, even though we disagree with the possible outcome. We can't revert to a Biblical system of justice. Those who use certain passages of the Bible to justify policy are just as misguided as those who use the Quran. The difference here is that we must leave religion out of the game, and look at this from a socio-political standpoint. There are plenty of secular muslims, and it's obvious Islam isn't the sole cause of all this. Sure, it plays a role, but the biggest problem is the unilateral foreign policy of the United States. Even the moderate Muslims, who normally would maintain some grounded rational thought, are silent because they completely disagree with the methods the US and the rest of the West use to maintain their hegemony. We claim we're trying to spread democracy to the world, but instead, we complain when the democratically elected government of certain countries and regions disagrees with our idea of what a democracy should be. We only want democracies that we can exploit. Further, the world sees how we help prop dictators that allow their countries to be exploited.

In essence, this war on terrorism must work on two fronts. We can't just assume that we can continue our policies as they are, and expect the rest of the world to come around. We have to be willing to help spread democracy and most importantly education. Imagine how things would change when instead of allowing missionaries to go to hostile countries, we send educational forces. Obviously, it would help to first improve our educational level. Compared to the rest of the developed world, we're near the bottom of competency. This sad state of affairs produces the idiots who think anyone who disagrees with their ideology must be killed.

Posted by Helioprogenus December 11, 08 03:03 PM

The place depicted here sounds like a great place to spend the holidays!

Posted by The God Himself December 11, 08 03:52 PM

To all of you that think they are being held without being charged... Your wrong... I have been in the Army 7 years, and right now im in Iraq at a prison for detainees. We hold them just like american prisoners in the states, until their trial... If you dont know what the hell you are talking about, then dont make a damn comment. The ones responsible for 9/11 are held at Gitmo... Do you want them let go so they can come into your back yard and blow up your family and your kids? I already know your answer to that. So, now do you think they should be let go? These people would kill you, your neighbors, your kids, and everyone around you without remorse. They are better off being held in prison for the rest of their lives. And if you dont agree then maybe you should come over here to Iraq and spend a year getting blown up and shot at...

Posted by Phillip December 11, 08 04:07 PM


"To all of you that think they are being held without being charged... Your wrong"

Work on your reading comprehension. What we're saying is they're being held without *trial*, not without charges. Anyone can make up charges. The question is, are they true. In a couple hundred cases so far, the answer to that is simple: no.

"We hold them just like american prisoners in the states... until their trial."

Yes, their trial... 7 years after they were arrested. "Trials" only now being executed because the facility has become a political liability.

"These people would kill you, your neighbors, your kids, and everyone around you without remorse."

Yes, some of them would. But there are others who would not, and they should be freed. You don't honestly disagree with that, do you?

As for the rest, yeah, I get it, being a soldier in Iraq is tough. Suck it up. That's no excuse to throw away the very values that make America great, and that you're risking your life defending. Do that, and you might as well just surrender to the terrorists, as they've already succeeded in destroying the America you apparently love so much.

Posted by Brett December 11, 08 04:25 PM

You really need to get a life. You have responded in a pompous manner to any comment that you do not agree with. Please stop your pretentious babble and let someone else express their own opinions. For someone who acts like they know so much about right and wrong, you are far too arrogant.

Posted by E. Terrell December 11, 08 06:08 PM

How ironic is it that it is called Camp Justice when this camp has been used for everything BUT Justice...

Posted by Ian December 11, 08 06:46 PM

Step back for just a second... think about how our world has changed in the last years and consider this contribution to the Atlantic by David Foster Wallace.

Here's an interesting thought. Are some things still worth dying for? Is the American idea* one such thing? Are you up for a thought experiment? What if we chose to regard the 2,973 innocents killed in the atrocities of 9/11 not as victims but as democratic martyrs, “sacrifices on the altar of freedom”?* In other words, what if we decided that a certain baseline vulnerability to terrorism is part of the price of the American idea? And, thus, that ours is a generation of Americans called to make great sacrifices in order to preserve our democratic way of life—sacrifices not just of our soldiers and money but of our personal safety and comfort?

In still other words, what if we chose to accept the fact that every few years, despite all reasonable precautions, some hundreds or thousands of us may die in the sort of ghastly terrorist attack that a democratic republic cannot 100-percent protect itself from without subverting the very principles that make it worth protecting?

Is this thought experiment monstrous? Would it be monstrous to refer to the 40,000-plus domestic highway deaths we accept each year because the mobility and autonomy of the car are evidently worth that high price? Is monstrousness why no serious public figure now will speak of the delusory trade-off of liberty for safety that Ben Franklin warned about more than 200 years ago? What exactly has changed between Franklin’s time and ours? Why now can we not have a serious national conversation about sacrifice, the inevitability of sacrifice—either of (a) some portion of safety or (b) some portion of the rights and protections that make the American idea so incalculably precious?

In the absence of such a conversation, can we trust our elected leaders to value and protect the American idea as they act to secure the homeland? What are the effects on the American idea of Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless surveillance, Executive Order 13233, corporate contractors performing military functions, the Military Commissions Act, NSPD 51, etc., etc.? Assume for a moment that some of these measures really have helped make our persons and property safer—are they worth it? Where and when was the public debate on whether they’re worth it? Was there no such debate because we’re not capable of having or demanding one? Why not? Have we actually become so selfish and scared that we don’t even want to consider whether some things trump safety? What kind of future does that augur?

1. Given the strict Gramm-Rudmanewque space limit here, let's just please all agree that we generally know what this term connotes—an open society, consent of the governed, enumerated powers, Federalist 10, pluralism, due process, transparency ... the whole democratic roil.

2. (This phrase is Lincoln's, more or less)

Posted by Grant December 11, 08 07:12 PM

To 153, what you think is arrogance, is just higher education. If you can disagree with any of those statements posted by 152, you're more than welcome to put your two cents. But calling someone arrogant is like calling someone an elitist. It does nothing but make you look stupid. If someone comes off sounding pretentious, just ask yourself why is it you're seeing it that way. Some of us feel that ethics and morality can transcend religion or reactionary human emotions. We're also aware that there are many gray areas, and no easy solutions. Yet, you find fault when someone has strong opinions that are backed up with rational thought. If you can't provide the same level of discourse as your opponent, using the word arrogant may be the only weapon (weak as it may be) in your rhetorical possession.

Posted by Helioprogenus December 11, 08 07:42 PM

Uneducated America' we get what we deserve'Just the idea of letting criminals go is pathetic to me. Our education is to blime' and our goverment marshmollows, and most of all us. We the people who didn't care enough to educate oneself or our generation of children. Now we have to live with uncompassed populations, that lack self relience, education and national pride. The general population dosn't trust the polictical system of goverment and rightfully so. Current generation can't be responsible for prievious generations large numbers of children, and now there social security,,medical & economic unrest. Wake up and protect us!

Posted by Anonymous December 11, 08 07:59 PM

THis people have better conditions at Gitmo than they have at their homeland. I say you take away any and all convienences and stop kissing their ass. We allow them to much.

Posted by ike December 11, 08 10:46 PM

Cant wait for the pictures of the riots in Greece....
Sorry if this has nothing to do with Guantanamo.
Im really not sure if your are posting them just a suggestion; =)

Posted by Jifas Paladopus December 11, 08 11:07 PM

To the guy on comment 157
You dont value freedom at all. Talking about better living conditions in a prision, than on your home country is too absurd.

"Aqui estoy establecido, en los Estados Unidos 10 años pasaron ya,en que cruse de mojado,papeles no arreglados,sigo siendo un ilegal.Tengo mi esposa y mis hijos que me los traje muy chicos y se han olvidado ya de mi México querido del cual yo nunca me olvido y no pueedo regresar.
De que me sirve el dinero si estoy como prisionero dentro de esta gran nación cuando me acuerdo hasta lloro que aunque la jaula sea de oro no deja de ser prision.
Mis hijos no hablan conmigo otro idioma han aprendido y olvidado el español piensan como americanos niegan que son mexicanos aunque tengan mi cooolor.
Casi no salgo a la calle pues tengo miedo que me allen y me puueedan deportar
De que me sirve el dinero si estoy como prisionero dentro de esta gran nación cuando me acuerdo hasta lloro que aunque la jaula sea de oro no deja de ser prision. " - Jaula de Oro - Tigres del Norte

Posted by Tigre del Norte December 11, 08 11:12 PM

This really didn't show both sides of GB it put it in to good of a light. Thank you president elect for gettiong rid of these torture filled "camps".

Posted by Anna December 11, 08 11:41 PM

It is a bad idea to take prisoners, put them in a plane and imprison them in a far far away country.
Especially if it is to lock them for years.

Posted by bob December 12, 08 12:23 AM

The truth of the matter, the truth of who these guys really are is soooo muddled and convoluted. Most of these guys aren't terrorist and never were terrorist. They were just dirt farmers in Afghanistan or Pakistan picked up to fill a quota and give the impression that somebody is fulfilling an agreement. In America anymore, there are like two separate factions, the US government, and the CIA/Military Industrial complex. The CIA/MIC run things through intimidation and covert activities and they need one of theirs, the lamest and most cooperative, as president...or they'll kill him. With several repressive acts having been passed since the staged 9/11 show, this kind of activity is in the cards for americans.

Posted by Ken December 12, 08 12:38 AM

I can't get over this place. I was stationed at Gitmo in the 90s as part the J2 of JTF160 during "Operation Sea Signal". These guys are living in the lap of luxery. We had Cubans and Haitians living in what looked like true concentration camps and they weren't even criminal, much less terrorist. Some actually were Castro's criminals, but the huge majority were just families trying to get to a better place. It sickens me to know that the scum of the earth is living so much better than those folks did. These guys should have been interrogated in the field and executed.

Posted by R.B. December 12, 08 02:40 AM

Until any of you have served in the military and seen what these people have done first hand dont comment I have served a tour in Iraq and Afghanistan and no not all of them are bad I met some wonderful people in each country but trust me when I say they don't just send your run of the mill foot soldier to Gitmo they are usually high ranking in the the terrorist cells.

Posted by Rob Hughes December 12, 08 09:20 AM

Dear Ill-Educated Masses:

Have any of you bothered to read the Geneva Conventions? Or do you just cite them from CNN reports.? The conventions, signed by the US and most civilized countries, allow for the detention of enemy soldiers for the duration of a conflict. This is to do two things: prevent the enemy combatants from rejoining the war, and to protect the prisoners from reprisals either from the capturing populance or the enemy government. Thus, in nearly all our foreign wars, the US has detained people for years, sometimes on soil far from their places of capture. By the way, so have all our allies and enemies. Where do you ersatz-softies propose placing these murderous bastards? What complicates this war is that Al Qaeda has no formal country, command structure, or uniform. No one wants these dirtbagsbecause they are so dangerous. If you Frenchies love them so much, why don't you take them in? Oh, that's right...because Sarkozy is intelligent and a realist. You finally got a decent leader in France. Your criticism is hollow and misplaced. It's Al Qaeda who tortures and beheds, not the US or its Allies.

Posted by ron December 12, 08 09:37 AM


How god-dammned ironic.

Posted by mikvance December 12, 08 10:07 AM

Suggest you read the recently published "Eight O'clock Ferry to the Windward Side " (of Gitmo).
Or, better, "Google"...Col. Morris Davis, former chief prosecutor for Guantánamo's military commissions...Maj. John Carr...Maj. Robert Preston...all former Gitmo prosecutors who quit after seeing the wheeling, dealing and falsehoods issued by iur outgoing administation.

Posted by gunner December 12, 08 09:05 PM

This whole discussion ignores the history.
This is ultimately the same clash of civilizations that has been going on for a thousand years,
Western Judo-Christians cultures vs. Middle-Eastern Asian Islamic cultures.
The right to detain someone because they might want to fly planes into buildings full of innocent people is only a small chapter in the continuation of the clash of civilizations that's been going on for a thousand years.

Posted by nhh2727 December 12, 08 11:02 PM

The question: Is Guantanamo Bay serving its stated purpose of acquiring information vital to national/global security?
for the argument against it i'll call up two fairly short sources, one a book and the other a docu-drama:
-Former US Army Muslim Chaplain James Yee's book on his Guantanamo experience "For God and Country: Faith and Patriotism Under Fire"
-British director, Michael Winterbottom's "Road to Guantanamo
to have a meaningful conversation, learning the opposing view better than your own elevates the debate beyond simple rhetoric

Posted by freshouttatime December 13, 08 09:24 AM

What a lovely brochure! Recreational facilities, clean accommodations, and advanced education? Who WOULDN'T want to vacation there?!

Seriously, if any of you are fooled by this lovely publicity stunt brought to you by a ridiculously duplicitous administration, then you've inhaled far too much of the sand in which your head is buried.

Posted by redheadedbuddha December 13, 08 12:42 PM

Comment to Number 160: By my translation, you are somehow comparing yourself to the detainees at Gitmo....

Perhaps you should take your family back to Mexico since you consider yourself a prisoner here in the United States. Shame on you for complaining that your children have assimilated into our culture; if you want them to be as you are, then you should take them home to your "darling Mexico." That they speak our nation’s language is commendable, not a detriment.

My comment roughly translated above:Quizás usted debe tomar la espalda familiar a México desde que usted lo considera un preso aquí en Estados Unidos. Avergüence en usted para quejar que sus niños han asimilado en nuestra cultura; si usted los desea que sean como usted es, entonces usted los debe tomar en casa a su querido México. Que ellos hablan el idioma de nuestra nación es recomendable, no un detrimento.

Posted by SLC December 13, 08 12:46 PM

To all these people saying "Most of them are innocent! They should be set free!", I'm curious as to where the data and facts behind those statements are coming from. Would you care to share them with us?
Furthermore, those yelling for a "fair trial", perhaps you are not familiar with the story of David Hicks (
This guy, trained with al Qaeda and had massive links to terrorism. Left-wing hippies in Australia were crying out to FREE DAVID HICKS, and they got their wish. Now he's released and living in Australia, after being given a fair trial".
Personally, I'd much prefer that he was rotting in a cell in Gitmo right about now.
If a fair trial simply results in putting these guys back out on the streets, they don't have my support.

Posted by Cat December 13, 08 12:57 PM

"too good for them...i whish they were in braziian prisons...much worst!! This people have no mercy in them...just check what happened in India last week"

Just so I understand you correctly: you're saying that because they "have no mercy in them", we should treat them with no mercy? Wouldn't that make us the same as them? Aren't we supposed to be better than that? If not, what's the point? And this is, of course, before we even start with the part where you've decided they *must* be guilty without having heard any evidence against them and without there being any kind of trial, much less a fair one.

I guess blind revenge is more important to you than justice. What a pity.

Posted by Matt December 13, 08 03:10 PM

#75 I know your familie, do you remember Miguel Arraes? How a brasilian like you can be so stupid. Dolar don't make me blind like you. l'm sure the worst president of U.S.A. is (was) Geoge W. Bush. Certanly he studed in the scholl of Adolf Hitler. He made big mistakes, all over the worl. He wanted to get oil for his father.Hurray Obama, you are man to clean the BAD image , this foul president left.

Posted by Limeira December 13, 08 11:49 PM

very bad scene in guantanamo bay.pleaze release all prisoners. muslims are not terrorist. leave them alone.


Posted by ZUHAIR December 14, 08 03:42 AM

I'm an American happy to see these criminals pay! All you left wingers and bleeding hearts have forgotton 9-11.

Posted by Ken December 14, 08 10:27 PM

close it down

Posted by dora December 15, 08 01:37 PM

"if democracy was a threat to those who target to, materialisticly, enrich themselves at the sufferage of others, democracy would be illegal"

Posted by Dusk December 15, 08 02:30 PM

For the comments with Christian religious overtones, remember that Crusades of the middle ages created the concept of death in the name of religion. There is no innocence...

Posted by Jeff December 15, 08 02:40 PM

i'm not american.

i'm no lawyer.

if you wanna sprout your geneva convention and whatever constitutional rights, i'm not that person to debate on it.

but as a human being... whatever is the objective or propoganda or whatever that these photos are supposed to impress on anyone on the web... does not concern me...

but what concerns me is how angry and hostile people here react. if the general american citizen feels that way, then it is a sad day for us all.

americans might as well colonise every other nation in the world in the name of THEIR own freedom/laws. make every other nation an image of AMERICA.

that will make the world perfect wouldn't it?

Posted by an asian boy December 15, 08 05:15 PM

"all photographs either reviewed by or released by the U.S. Military."

This is a joke and The Boston Globe should NOT take part in this nonesense ...

Propaganda of the worst kind

Posted by Auðunn December 15, 08 09:08 PM

I wonder if I lived in a poverty stricken country under an oppressive regime with not much to look forward to in life and my father or brother or friend were incarcerated in a cell like one of those pictured above - would I fight the bastards who took him ?

Posted by Pete December 15, 08 10:55 PM

I am truly shocked by the ignorance and hate in so many of these comments. Sadly, far from winning your 'war on terror' I suspect the words written here are causing young people around the world, from many countries and faiths, to lose any respect they may have had for America and her people.

I hope for everyone's sake Obama can turn the US around come Jan 20...

Posted by Becky December 16, 08 12:15 AM

In view of the ignorance voiced by many of the more vitriolic commenters here, i implore you to consider that--based on the testimony of soldiers who themselves served in Iraq--many (if not most) of the prisoners ('re not supposed to call them prisoners) kept at Guantanamo have done absolutely nothing wrong. They are ordinary Iraqis who happened to find themselves on the street as an American patrol was passing by. Most of them are lucky to be alive, in fact, as a good bit of the time, "hajis" as they are pejoratively referred to, are simply shot on sight (yes, you read correctly--civilians (male, female, elderly, whatever) are shot in the street like dogs, and on a disturbingly regular basis). Those who ended up in Guantanamo are the ones who, instead, are thrown to the ground, zip-tied, and sent to a nearby prison in Iraq, then depending upon a number of factors, are sent to Guantanamo.

The amount of surprise, for instance, on the part of some people here that Harry Potter is a popular book in Guantanamo, is particularly interesting to me, because it illustrates a profound ignorance and prejudice as to who Iraqis and other detainees really are. With all of the media and government attention to religion, and its role in the War on Terror, people seem to have the idea that all Iraqis (or all Middle-Easterners in general) are Muslim (and furthermore, that all are strict and devout in their faith), and that all espouse the viewpoint of the West as the "great Satan." This is simply not true. Take a look at your own country. How many people do you know personally who identify as some denomination of Christian (for example), but "don't really practice." The might believe in God and Jesus and go to church on Christmas and Easter, and believe their dead loved ones go to heaven, but they're not the kind of people you would call 'really religious.' The same is true among Muslims. Yes, there are those who practice strict, devout (and yes, in a few cases, extreme or fundamentalist) adherence to their faith, but for most people, just as it is amongst people in the US, you identify with the religion you grew up with, and that's all.

With constant improvements to our worldwide systems of communication, and the globalisation of economies, it's quite apparent that the world is shrinking. It's no wonder that something wildly popular in the West (e.g. Harry Potter) would be popular amongst the people of the Middle East. We're not that different. Many Westerners, in spite of easily available evidence to the contrary, continue to entertain an image of the Middle East as primitive--a place existing in some kind of stasis, untouched by human progress (for good or ill) since Biblical times, replete with villages built of mud houses, camels for transportation, and the noticeable absence of technology. This just simply isn't true. Yes, there are some places remote enough to appear much older than they are, but so are there in America and Europe, for that matter.

In order to get over the scourge of the outgoing Bush administration's short-sighted, reactionary 'war on terror,' the Rip Van Winkles of the West need to finally wake up, and then promptly update themselves on the history of the world over the past century. How much longer can we survive on the assumption that we somehow sit atop an untouchable pinnacle of human progress?

Posted by J. Brandon Loberg December 16, 08 09:35 PM

I'm not sure if you were trying to make some sort of statement by showing these photos. After spending multiple tours in both Iraq and Afghanistan, these facilities are much nicer (and cleaner) than the way they choose to live in their homelands. But what would I know...I've actually been there and interacted with them.

Posted by Color_blind December 16, 08 11:28 PM

Under the international treaty known as the "Rules For The Conduct of Land Warfare" to which the United States is a signatory, an armed fighter who is captured on the battlefield is entitled to treatment as a prisoner of war ONLY if the following conditions are met:
1. He must be fighting for a flag. In other words, he must be a member of the armed forces of a country, not some religious "militia".
2. He must be a member of a military organization with an established chain of command, and commanded by a person who can be held responsible for the actions of his subordinates.
3. He must be wearing a uniform or a distinguishing emblem VISIBLE AT A DISTANCE that identifies him as a legitimate combatant.
Persons not meeting ALL THREE of the above conditions are considered as partisans, and are subject to a summary court martial held in the field and immediate execution.
Given the fact that none of the detainees held at Guantanamo Bay met the three requirements in the above treaty, I would say the the US has been quite lenient with them.

Posted by Conductor December 17, 08 12:06 AM

The case is known in the history of Europe , when people one race considered herself for better than different .
This was called Nazism.

Posted by osmosis_poland December 17, 08 04:02 PM

I am concerned about what will happen if we give all enemy combatants in all future wars access to the American judicial system. Our judicial system is not equipped to handle thousands of prisoners of war. Evidence, witnesses, court appointed lawyers, space on the dockets are all overwhelming problems. The left in this country in their unceasing effort to discredit the Bush Administration is going way way overboard in my opinion without regard to the real-life consequences.

Posted by Mad Jayhawk December 17, 08 09:21 PM

If one cannot be respected, then it is important to be strong. However, the US cannot rationally define a strategy leading to strength. The new American age finds definition in the Guantánamo Bay pictures, hello to the future!

Posted by von Alfred December 18, 08 12:28 AM

Just think if that was you. We've all be caught in some situation beyond our control, but imagine being there. Caught in a situation where some people only needed to know you were there to think you were guilty.

We must prove, if only to ourselves, that we are better than this. That applies to both sides of the fence...erm cell.

Posted by Jason G December 18, 08 05:03 AM

Wow such revealing pictures, NOT! All I can interpret is propaganda.

Posted by The Dude December 18, 08 07:24 AM


Posted by mir67 December 18, 08 10:44 AM

how have they (us government mainly) convinced people of that sh... is unbelievable
and how people won´t think crtically and for themselves (mainly most of americans) is even worst

Posted by cromo December 18, 08 11:48 AM

I wish my apartment were that clean. Wouldn't mind having someone cook me orange chicken for dinner every night either. You know these guys have it better here than they did in their third world conditions back home. Propaganda? Hardly. It would be more realistic if they showed us how they have gameboys to play with.

Posted by Alexander Solzenhitsyn December 18, 08 02:15 PM

hey man picture 9 it is not Arabic language
it's Persian i suقe about it because of some word in there
ک چ پ ژ

Posted by Crash December 18, 08 03:05 PM

This photographer is a real hypocrite and a liar... he fakes the real image..
They are very good photos when it comes to photography techniques...
but honestly... WHAT THE HELL!!!!
Guantanamo bay looks so beautiful, and that prisoners are provided with everything.. as if it's a 5 star hotel!!!!!
seriously, this is a real crime from this photographer!!!

and you can choose to publish this comment or not... after all, i only care that the poster of this blog or the photographer gets the message

Posted by maya December 18, 08 10:19 PM

Since 7 October 2001, when the current war in Afghanistan began, 775 detainees have been brought to Guantánamo. Of these, approximately 420 have been released without charge. As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain. More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade countries to accept them. Of those still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest.
If you for one second think this was paradise for the prisoners watch
Most people simply assume but if you look at the facts this was TORTURE.

Posted by DEFINE TORTURE December 18, 08 11:19 PM

As it says, if these photographs are taken and circulated by a US officers, imagine what could be the real situation!! Unthinkably disgusting!

If killing innocents are terrorism, we need to be really worried as we do the most. Look at the history and can you show somebody else who has done it as much as us? We go out to the world to snatch their resources and when they react, we call them terrorists.
I feel ashamed to be an American!

We need to think

Posted by Noel J December 19, 08 02:08 AM

WAR IS UGLY no matter how you disect it. People will die whether they are innocent of guilty. Rational people will do bad things to others no matter what their upbringing or education has taught them. People never learn from history's mistakes. Every country is guilty of appauling behavior in time of war. TOLERANCE is a nice word but never really practiced. GUATANAMO BAY is just a small part of this big ugly picture. When the US invaded IRAQ most countries were too afraid to react negatively and did nothing to stop them. What this world needs is 1 big strong INTERNATIONAL assembly of nations to keep order. The UN has no power. GOD HELP US ALL !

Posted by GEORGIE GIRL December 21, 08 03:38 PM

i'm so shocked by some of the angry, naive people who have commented.
But i think it is photographs like these which have perpetuated these people's shallow understanding of what the reality there actually is.... these show us nothing, they've been heavily filtered from the start to finish, and so what conclusions do we expect people to really doesn't look all that bad...
Do you ignorant people who think they get game boys to play and that every cell is that clean, actually believe it is all that way? I'm sure you wouldn't think it so sweet if it was you locked up in there...
Use your brains and stop being so hateful


Posted by Peace December 21, 08 05:29 PM

I guess this is a goof up by US military to show that these guys are actually living in a better world...I guess this is not the photos from G Bay
Wait, I have a guy in my nearest district who was part of the G Bay build up project.
I read in the news paper that this guy was telling that "I was mentally 'gone' after I finished the work there..." If we can believe this guy , this would not be G Bay. either the person who says that this is G Bay is lying or the person who reportedly said that who was part of this is lying..both can' be true at the same time.
I am going to forward this link to verify with this person..Yes, I am behind this photos now,

Posted by Investigator December 23, 08 09:49 AM

To all of you who made comments, I have just one thing to say
Remember 9/11 World Trade Center

Posted by William Clifford December 24, 08 09:27 AM

To #203

Yes, remember 9/11... & forget the American caused death of about a hundred thousand people in Iraq, forget about the deaths of the same number in afghanistan caused by American so-called intervention for fight against freakin terrorism & forget the deaths of hundreds of people in American-bombing in FATA(federally administered tribal areas) of pakistan. Its so disturbing how goddamned ignorant you people are that it makes me sick. Oil for food & other programs are just a way to get resources... Recently Dick cheney, G Bush & some other retard admitted that attacking Iraq was a mistake because no WMD's were found. Now Americans, ask yourself, killing of thousands & then sayin it was just a mistake ???? For criss sakes, wake up, nothing is got by ignorance.

Posted by Ali Hayat December 26, 08 08:58 AM

"...all photographs either reviewed by or released by the U.S. Military." For me that says it all. These are propaganda pictures, it's disturbing so many people are duped.

Posted by LeslieC December 27, 08 02:14 AM

What a good-publicity generated "puff piece" from the US military! How convenient that exactly 50% of the pix are non-military credited - the rest are. How very 'balanced' it seems. And so-o-o-o exquisitely generous of the US to provide a copy of the Quran AND a face mask so each copy can be kept off the ground, with a prayer mat, plus it seems white traditional clothes. Hmmm something's missing... OH YEA the pictures of the inmates being interrogated in apalling conditions - (Hey fellers let's not worry about Human Rights! They're in Gitmo - yeah of course - a part of CUBA!)

What is NOT seen are the inmates shackled so tightly they can only shuffle slowly with 3-4 guards ensuring their heads are bowed into submission and subserviently. Argh I'm so bored with the USA's constant spin doctoring of the self righteous justification for the decisions by the idiot about to leave the white house. The last 8 years just show the Supreme Court doesn't always get decisions right.

Roll on the inauguration. Obama is the hope of far more than Americans.

Posted by Howard December 27, 08 07:37 AM

Many, many, many wrong things here. Guantanamo is part of Cuba, so in first place it must be return to Cubans and this is final, period. Human beings inside the Gtmo Base must be return to their countries for the kind of fair trial they are used to practice, according to their religious and legal system. A very good suggestion from part of the comments is that american leaders and generals could pass 7 years in jail, isolated, with supermario games and computers and maybe a casino or a special pitching shoes machine to finally confess the truth about 9/11. Sorry about this but in terms of democracy the majority of this world population has facts to think that Terrorism was invented in the US, God bless 9/11 victims and US related victims all over the world. Hopefully US will change now for good.

Posted by Angel December 29, 08 05:03 PM

Lets begin with 9/11. Who was behind 9/11 attacks... It was the afgans or to be more precise the Al Qeda. But Hey what does the american goverment do.... They decide Lets go attack Iraq cause it makes no difference to the American people If it is Afaganistan or Iraq... As long as they get Oil....

Wake up America and Start looking... For the Past 8 years and even before your country has just screwed around with less fortunate countries for your own benefit.
Is it a surprise that they hate you and want revenge, Your government wants you to be scared and terrorised as it gives them more reason to terroririze Middle eastern countries where apparently there is OIL

Now I dont stand for terrorism of any kind... But before you start any kind of finger pointing just see what have you done for them to think you deserve this kind of treatment.

But we are just ordinary people living ordinary lives and we have no idea about the political games played by the big guns!!!

For Peace and Love

Posted by feb December 29, 08 10:46 PM

many are innocent, that is the problem. the innocent, the near nobody's, and the real bad guys were all carelessly thrown in together, and once you are in the system, guilt is assumed, and getting out becomes nearly impossible. this goes for the thousands of detainees we hold in iraq and afghanistan. the bad guys should have been tried years ago, and the rest let go for lack of evidence about them. Any benefit to security Guantanamo has offered over the years is far far outwieghed by the huge loss of prestige and respect for America and its professed values. Guantanamo erodes American promotion of human rights, makes America look hypocritical, and desecrates the nearly-holy American doctrine that a person is innocent until proven guilty. In short, Guantanamo has become a symbol of American hypocrisy, and a fantastic recruiting tool for radicals who hate America for its very openness. Radicals love Guantanamo, because on the Arab street they can say "see, they arthink we are dogs. And those in the Arab street who would normally defend America, are silenced, embarrassed, proven wrong. And those who were on the fence, can be seduced into becoming suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Guantanamo, and the American gulag archipelago has actually killed Americans and many civilians of many nationalities. Indirectly, but unmistakably.

Posted by pjoseph December 30, 08 04:47 PM

The land on which your perverted nation is built was stolen during an act of genocide. The American Dream continues to be a fiction hiding systematic failings in your democracy. Disfunctional individuals defend obscene acts of racist injustice. Anyone who calls for reason is marginalised and vilified. The marginalised and vilified are considered less than human. Those considered less than human are denied freedom. Thus you create your own viscious world. On the whole, your nation lacks the humility to change so it will self-destruct. Let's hope you don't take the rest of us with you.

Posted by White Man January 8, 09 10:53 AM

Everyone whines of so much un-justice that these prisioners are going through. How about the people that have died at their hands? How about the Americans that have died at their hands? How about the people of 9-11 that died trapped under a building when it fell? How about the kids that found out that they will never see their mother or father or both again? What if one of these people broke into your home and raped you at gun point? What if they came into your home and decided to tie you up and place a bomb in your lap and walk away? These people are bad people. We have criminals in our jails that have done far worse than these and they still get 3 meals a day and a place to sleep. I say kill them all and let god sort them out. Because apparently you all say that the government has no idea as to who is good or bad. when it comes to terrorists.

Posted by Randolf MackB January 9, 09 08:03 AM

hey these pictures are great just a bit of advice try and get some pictures of the rain forest or some volcanos or something like that thnx bye

Posted by Becky January 9, 09 09:15 AM

I'm reading and reading and I juat can't help how ignorant some people think our goverment really is. These people that are being held here are dubbed "enemy combatants" which means they were most like caught in a place like Iraq or abroad...if they were really innocent...we wouldn't have gone through the trouble of transporting them to cuba. They would have been dealt with accordingly in a place like Iraq or afghanistan. These people were most likely caught in fire-fights with security forces or caught placing roadside bombs in the road...INTENDED TO HARM OUR PEOPLE. THESE ACTIONS MY FRIENDS....ARE THE ACTIONS OF TERRORIST! They were not just picked up walking down the street and sent to cuba for nothing! I do agree 7 years without a trial is unacceptable and shame on us for not taking action sooner....but these are not just innocent people and should not just be released. They are in Cuba for a reason people...they have done something really messed up to be there!

Posted by Andrew January 13, 09 04:30 PM

Obama is insane if he thinks shutting this place down is the "right" thing to do. These people are the worst of the worst . They will kill Americans at the first opportunity. These people are the "fuel" of terrorism.

Posted by JRM January 13, 09 08:40 PM

those POW are lucky comparing with us(Africans) . at least they have something to eat.

Posted by Anonymous January 17, 09 02:42 AM

Seems better than the living conditions than they're used to, free everything, 12 hours of being outside in a tropical prison. How do i get me in here?

Posted by James January 20, 09 06:56 PM

Before you go and say the people that were being detained here don't deserve such good living conditions, since you apparently think they are all terrorists, you should probably know that the majority of the people kept here (and other similar camps) are not guilty and are simply a victim of circumstance.
Also, these images only show what they want you to see, they don't show the interrogations/torture/water boarding/etc. Even if you rationalize it in your mind that they deserve it; most of them are innocent.
Btw please don't judge Americans based on ignorant comments seen here (and around the web) the majority of us aren't like this (this is just the republicans, who dont have power any more)

Posted by fred January 23, 09 03:27 AM

The apology to make is for people like #217 and the rest of the 5th columnists in this country. If the O-bots ever succeed in closing Gitmo, I pray the released terrorists are sent to liberal neighborhoods to live.

Free your totalitarian minds, Dhimmicrats!

Posted by Justin98 January 26, 09 02:15 PM

Huh... I would like to invite all of you to read msg from Islam which means
Peace and peace ... you know What does it means when two muslim meet and Say Asalam-0-alikum , Salam and other reply walikumusalam

Asalam-0-alikum = there will be peace and mercy at you
Wasalam or walikumusalam = also on you too peace and mercy .


do you think Islam teach to make things worse even its says he who kill someone is like he kill all human and he who will save someone is like to save all humanity

dont judge people on their religion
i must say .. Its all about revange whatever its US or Taliban.. Please Please stop killing innocent in any shape ..

Love for All
a Muslim

Posted by A.Basit February 4, 09 08:29 AM

# 108 said it all, until you've been there and been on the other end of that hate ,YOU DON"T HAVE A CLUE!!!! I think we should hand all of you idiots a gun and send your ass over there. Then MAYBE you'd see YOUR freedoms don't come free. Someone has to die for you to be able to post you feelgood shit. Open your eyes, This is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and freedom dosen't come free!

Posted by Anonymous February 10, 09 11:32 AM

Since I'm not an American I can say something from the 3'rd point of view:
the assumption is that these guys have done a lot of bad and ugly things in their life but the question is who started first? Was their terrorism only an answer to US State's (G.W.Bush's) terrorism or did they really started first?
I know that it's nice to have oil and to have it cheap or for free but for moral and ethical reasons you can not (or shall not) occupy some country just because you want to have their oil wells. You can not simply take someone's wife just because you like her and want to make her pregnant. If you would do this to me, probably I would think about to go to learn how to fly also :-)

Posted by Petronije February 11, 09 07:03 AM

that is horible y would anyone ever do that to someone. i is glad they is closing it.

Posted by joe February 11, 09 12:13 PM


Posted by KHAN IQBAL AKHTAR February 23, 09 12:06 PM

I believe that Human Rights are secondary to our nations security. Call me barbaric, but the rights of a terrorist are far, far less important to me than that of a terrorist. The realization that most people do not have is this- Only a few are being "tortured", and these few are spouting information that has, or will, save the lives of countless Americans. Guantanamo Bay is not, and will never be a revenge on the middle eastern oil companies. The only person that suggestive evidence has been released about is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was one of the planners of the 9/11 attacks. Personally, I think that he has much earned his torture by helping kill thousands of american civilians in homeland territory. Plus there is the fact that it shows that he may be saying things useful to the prevention of another terrorist attack on America. Since 9/11, we have not had a single terrorist attack on American soil, and I believe that this is due to places such as Guantanamo Bay. I support Human Rights in two cases- 1) When it is not a part of war, and 2) when it is not being put secondary to several other humans and their rights. This instance violates both points. These terrorists want to kill Americans. My email is, feel free to try to convince my otherwise.

Posted by Andrew Walther February 24, 09 10:18 AM

well at least their closing it down but if it were up to me i would keep it how it is. my teacher mr.thiesse is going for a year to help close gitmo an if we kept it open the terrorists will have a rightful place to stay. our normal prisons are not advance enough to hold killers of many .im in 6th grade and i think my opinion counts!!!!!!!

Posted by Kristen527 February 28, 09 12:50 AM

Lets be serious here war is not soft so your soften attitude is way off its a hard time, and these are hard men.... don't rush to free the guilty cause of the few innocent

Posted by bob jones March 13, 09 05:15 PM

i was suprized to find out that all the prisoners are provided a koran. are all of these men muslim? if so why is it that muslims are the only "terrorists" that we see? and if not all of them are muslims why are all of tem provided a koran, are we actually stereotyping that all muslims are terrorists? any way that you look at it this is a typical stereotype and injustice to a minority. American has been excetuting and dehumanizing the minorities for ceturies. first black people, followed by the irish, japanese and not muslims. no matter how good we may try to seem to the world we actully posses a hatretd for others and we dehumanize anyone that is different

Posted by Anonymous March 15, 09 04:30 PM

pure stereotype and racism to its fullest degree. we are bad people. we enprison wrongfully, segragate and excecute the minorities.

Posted by tony March 15, 09 04:33 PM

i think it should be re opened

Posted by Anonymous March 18, 09 09:59 AM

If you look at the pictures on this site you can see that the prisoners at Guantanamo have the same conditions, if not better, than that of most American jails. These men are prisoners of war and are not under the laws of the U.S. Constatution. The men held at the POW camp all get a Muslim kit with a Quran and are allowed to freely practice their religion. Yes some some soldiers may get a Quran and piss on it, but seeing as most of the prisoners have killed or attempted to kill Americans, it's understandable that some soldiers may lose their manners. The torture on the men is to get intell out of them that may save American lives, but most of the torture just makes the men very uncomfortable and the worst act of torture the men are put through is beating. This is a far cry from the torture our POWs are put through.

Posted by Ronnie March 30, 09 09:46 PM

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww, what a beautiful place!
we are not "IDIOTS"

Posted by NEHA April 1, 09 08:26 AM

I like how everyone thinks they know what goes on over there all because they watched the news... Someone said they wouldn't trust what gets reviewed and released by the military... and yet you trust the news you hear on the TV?
I was blinded by the news media, thinking that Gitmo is just a prison where they hold these men (and women?) and I heard all the horror stories of people being beaten unjustly.. But then I see these pictures... The fact that the painted the direction of Mecca on the ground and all of the things they still give and allow the prisoners to do (prayer rituals, etc.) is a breath of fresh air compared to all the bad things you here. I think gitmo is a necessary place as long as it's being used appropraitely and they aren't just holding people forever without a trial. I sy we keep it and just rework policy and try these prisoners and move em out.

Posted by chris ayres April 1, 09 01:29 PM

Looks like their accomodations are far better than most prisons in the US and around the world.

Posted by Conrad Blagoyevich April 9, 09 06:35 AM

torture the human is always looks wrong.

Posted by saqib April 26, 09 05:33 AM

#198, I watched the video you pointed to. Yes, that is psychological torture. The men were deprived of the light of day for days and weeks on end with music always blasting. Yes, those conditions mess up your natural body clock that tells you when it is night and day. But how does one compare that to thinking that it is okay to take 4 airplanes full of innocent people and ram them into 3 buildings full more innocent people? War is never nice, and being a prisoner of war is definitely not nice. Do innocent people get caught in the middle? Sometimes, unfortunately, yes. It is not the paradise of being free, and it is not the hell of other prisoner of war camps from other wars (or even for our own soldiers during this war).

Posted by Melissa Newman April 27, 09 08:04 PM

Although the pictures may, and may not, represent conditions for the majority of the prisoners, they appear far better than conditions at some US prisons -- classes, prayer time, exercise, library, hours outside, more personal space. Check out : npr. and the July 7, 2008 program All Things Considered - "San Quentin's Gym Becomes One Massive Cell, by Laura Sullivan. I have a relative, who suffers from bipolar disease. Trials seem to be a thing of the past - once you go to jail, a lawyer convinces you to take a plea bargain, or threatens a much longer sentence (you are thus guilty from the start, not innocent until found guilty). He has returned many times for slight parole violations, like missing appts.

Posted by Lee Wentworth May 7, 09 09:48 PM

Its a time to shut down this Camp as it is the most dangerous and true hell spot on the earth.
Hopefully Barack will remain on his word to improve relation with all muslim nation to gain the America and Americans back on track.

Posted by Emam May 15, 09 05:14 AM

i think that they are all geting what they asked for they dont have the right to be free

Posted by william hewitt May 21, 09 09:35 AM

Okay... Close it. But then what? Where do you put them? Not one state or politician has stood up and said they would take them. And, I don't blame them. Our President made a proclamation to close GB months ago and STILL not ONE SINGLE person has a realistic solution to how to deal with those we are currently holding and even more importantly how we are suppose to handle future detainees.

Further, what if we just had it to do all over again? What could we realistically do differently? Not take prisoners? KOS? Maybe we should have Crime Scene Investigators follow our soldiers around dusting for fingerprints and collecting evidence that can be use against them in American courts. Maybe our Soldiers should be reading enemy combatants their rights while they are taking prisoners?

People that believe that these detainees are treated badly do not seem to have a real concept of what bad really is. Many of these detainees could be released right now but they refuse to go back to their home countries because they know what will happen to them. If you want to close something, that's fine, but having no idea how to close it and still moving forward anyway is irresponsible. Just like when Obama decried military tribunials... and yet now is reauthorizing their use because it makes sense. I guess it's one thing to say what you need to, to get elected, and an entirely new thing to actually execute it.

People need to be realistic and stop basing their opinions on their heart strings and feelings. Does anyone think that Al Queda is doing anything to meet the standard some people want to impose on the US?

Posted by Anonymous May 21, 09 10:23 PM

I wrestle this issue around in my head. These people just did not accidently be in afghanistan at the wrong time. Now one goes to vacation in afghanistan. Now one goes to study unless it's to study/participate in jihad against the United States of America/other western nations. However, even the Nazi's had a trial. With that said, I dont care if the prisoners were forced to listen to oom bop by hanson, pokeed with a cattle prod, had penut butter spead all over them for the dogs to lick off, or even waterboarded....Having your head cut off while you are still alive while people chant god is great is tourtrure...Did the 9/11 victims have any rights?

Posted by Mike Crimmings June 15, 09 10:00 PM

Subhanallah, maha suci Engkau ya Allah.

Posted by Drs.Fathur Rohman Ms.MH. July 2, 09 08:09 AM

omg i would hate to stay here!!!!!!!

Posted by Billy jones July 15, 09 07:22 AM

Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.
Amerika dan Kuwait bekerjasama dalam urusan bisnis perminyakan, dampak sosial religiusnya jelas terasa, utamanya bagi para wanita atau gadis Kuwait yang tidak akan lepas kerlingan serdadu Amerika yang menjaga disana.
Wassalamu'alaikum wr.wb.

Posted by Drs.Fathur Rohman Ms.MH. August 4, 09 08:33 AM

American govt is trying to hide the true picture by displaying complete kit item including a think we are idiots.till wot time would u keep giving explaination of ur deeds.

Posted by khurshid September 19, 09 10:23 AM

my teacher is in picture # 6, He was my 6th grade teacher. He's awsome!!!

Posted by Andres October 8, 09 12:10 AM

As an American I am shocked. This should and must be stopped. Let's do it their way. Cut off their frickin heads. Show the world we understand the muslim way.

Posted by Anonymous November 15, 09 09:51 AM

dear all please be informed that war is not the solotion ,if america wants to keep them selfs safe from muslims they are supoed to leave muslims fallow thier holy relegion islam and not to be the enemies of them here in Afghanista,Iraq and Palastin too,islam is the relegion of peace please for short time read from this site(WWW.IRF.NET) and this policy of america wil encourage other muslims to the war becouse every human like his brother and dont like his brother torture,so if american toturing some muslims all around the world,other muslims in other parts of world wil be against american and wil kill then and fight agaist america too,so the best way is for america to stop toturing of muslims and be apologys to them from what they did against them,so i thin it will bring peace to american and all who live on the worl, I would like to invite all of you to read msg from Islam which means
Peace and peace ... you know What does it means when two muslim meet and Say Asalam-0-alikum , Salam and other reply walikumusalam

Asalam-0-alikum = there will be peace and mercy at you
Wasalam or walikumusalam = also on you too peace and mercy .


do you think Islam teach to make things worse even its says he who kill someone is like he kill all human and he who will save someone is like to save all humanity

dont judge people on their religion
i must say .. Its all about revange whatever its US or Taliban.. Please Please stop killing innocent in any shape ..

Respect for all for All as humans but love for muslims only
a Muslim

Posted by Safi from Afghanistan December 22, 09 01:12 AM

"Allah is almighty"
All Muslim"s are not terrorist.

Posted by Leader shaheen March 29, 10 07:01 AM

masihkah ada kejujuran pada FBI,CIA dan pada organisasi2 yang ada diAmerika yang hanya ingin terlihat WAH!!!! DUAHSYAT!!! diluar tapi didalam penuh kebohongan,kelicikan,siasat dan ingin menghancurkan?!

Posted by richard May 2, 10 11:33 PM

So very sad.

Posted by Yassine Zaid August 23, 10 04:47 PM
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